Players Delphisans84 [PIR8]    
2,528
2,528

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Updated: December 16, 2024 Update
Battles 24,924 24,924 47
WN8
2,528
2,528
1,231
Win Rate 59.11% 59.11% 40.43%
WG Rating 9,898
Forum Signature Account Created: June 30, 2013 @ 3:35 pm   |   Last Battle: April 21, 2024 @ 4:17 pm
 Clans History:
 Nick History:
 Delphisans84 
 1005231343 
  

Graphs



  
Tier Damage Winrate Battles
10 2,736.13 59.39% 7,121 2,1183,6920671640
9 2,272.46 60.45% 7,375 1,7892,5521,3021,085647
8 1,752.84 58.71% 4,488 1,7521,176377861322
7 1,275.21 57.44% 2,098 665560223444206
6 856.56 59.01% 2,142 487590502353210
5 574.63 55.18% 1,033 12448610426158
4 324.93 56.34% 284 18104536445
3 252.97 56.37% 204 07495728
2 165.02 54.32% 162 0301081311
1 81.47 52.94% 17 021500
Stats Total Avg
Tanks 288
Battles: 24,924
Survival: 9,517 38.18%
XP: 21,887,909 878.19
Total Damage: 49,385,877 1,981.46
Total Frags: 33,372 1.34
Total Shots: 267,350 10.73
Damage Received: 28,566,782 1,146.16
Capture Points: 16,105 0.65
Defence Points: 28,271 1.13

Players Tanks: 288 All Tanks   |   Recent Tanks
10
262 (36.26%)
3,003
1.34
1.74
3,218
56.87%
10
236 (47.88%)
+2
3,058
-7.45
1.65
-0.01
1.19
3,397
-20.50
63.56%
-0.54%
10
16 (50.00%)
2,988
1.38
1.88
3,177
50.00%
10
341 (37.24%)
2,764
1.47
1.29
2,836
58.06%
10
592 (43.07%)
2,859
1.80
1.81
3,161
61.82%
10
5 (40.00%)
2,653
1.00
0.80
2,094
60.00%
10
416 (35.10%)
2,687
1.30
1.66
2,802
57.93%
10
144 (50.69%)
2,368
1.03
0.02
2,403
59.03%
10
348 (46.84%)
2,781
1.32
1.24
2,918
63.51%
10
489 (42.33%)
2,843
1.51
1.63
3,099
62.78%
10
190 (35.79%)
2,654
1.23
1.48
2,680
54.74%
10
257 (42.80%)
2,721
1.65
0.47
2,427
53.31%
10
72 (37.50%)
2,972
1.67
0.33
2,611
52.78%
10
30 (46.67%)
2,954
1.63
0.07
2,237
53.33%
10
25 (40.00%)
2,535
1.16
1.52
2,479
64.00%
10
330 (38.18%)
2,630
1.25
1.52
2,774
61.52%
10
25 (44.00%)
2,706
1.48
0.80
2,442
56.00%
10
8 (25.00%)
+2
2,457
-386.96
1.00
1.50
+0.17
2,129
-274.24
62.50%
-4.17%
10
119 (46.22%)
2,759
1.45
1.74
2,896
52.94%
10
296 (38.85%)
2,908
1.56
1.43
3,079
57.43%
10
97 (53.61%)
3,121
1.61
0.89
3,331
69.07%
10
569 (38.31%)
2,508
1.40
1.79
2,703
59.75%
10
22 (27.27%)
2,080
0.77
1.59
1,507
45.45%
10
496 (52.82%)
2,444
1.22
0.04
2,606
61.49%
10
172 (41.86%)
2,876
1.52
0.84
2,543
65.70%
10
26 (38.46%)
2,522
1.31
0.38
1,993
53.85%
10
23 (60.87%)
3,566
1.96
1.09
3,167
73.91%
10
13 (23.08%)
2,028
0.69
1.69
1,552
61.54%
10
66 (36.36%)
2,893
1.76
1.62
3,157
53.03%
10
24 (45.83%)
3,125
1.92
1.17
2,999
50.00%
10
97 (35.05%)
3,159
1.64
1.75
2,900
44.33%
10
36 (38.89%)
2,824
1.94
1.28
2,559
50.00%
10
22 (54.55%)
2,678
1.18
1.09
2,438
72.73%
10
191 (41.88%)
2,857
1.65
1.48
3,126
60.73%
10
435 (38.85%)
2,565
1.46
1.63
2,825
57.01%
10
61 (50.82%)
3,154
1.46
0.85
2,862
63.93%
10
253 (40.71%)
2,630
1.22
1.55
2,600
62.45%
10
132 (41.67%)
+1
2,565
-9.70
1.53
0.84
-0.01
2,316
-6.40
58.33%
+0.32%
10
110 (31.82%)
2,607
1.35
0.99
2,278
50.91%
10
14 (21.43%)
2,562
0.71
0.57
1,594
42.86%
10
61 (37.70%)
+1
2,943
-0.88
1.36
-0.01
1.46
-0.02
2,750
-14.62
60.66%
-1.01%
9
229 (43.67%)
2,186
1.07
0.01
2,247
55.02%
9
193 (33.16%)
1,383
0.97
2.35
2,470
60.10%
9
537 (45.62%)
+1
2,862
-2.05
1.88
1.58
4,013
-2.45
66.67%
-0.12%
9
126 (38.89%)
2,640
1.89
1.17
3,540
65.08%
9
76 (40.79%)
+1
2,564
-14.17
1.17
-0.02
1.33
+0.02
2,481
-12.90
55.26%
+0.60%
9
151 (43.05%)
+1
2,595
-8.85
1.79
-0.01
1.07
-0.01
3,102
-21.55
64.24%
-0.43%
9
55 (32.73%)
2,144
1.49
1.31
2,668
54.55%
9
271 (35.06%)
1,972
1.17
1.26
2,286
53.51%
9
274 (36.86%)
2,354
1.23
1.12
2,662
61.31%
9
100 (50.00%)
+1
2,537
-8.09
1.60
-0.02
0.47
2,843
-29.35
59.00%
-0.60%
9
341 (41.06%)
+1
2,423
-3.55
1.43
1.48
2,987
-9.96
61.29%
-0.18%
9
126 (39.68%)
2,325
1.19
1.16
2,705
61.11%
9
89 (42.70%)
2,632
1.46
1.02
2,843
56.18%
9
57 (52.63%)
1,915
1.00
0.00
2,106
57.89%
9
77 (44.16%)
2,641
1.69
0.56
2,588
50.65%
9
71 (42.25%)
2,361
1.62
1.72
3,121
54.93%
9
94 (25.53%)
1,905
1.30
1.22
2,329
62.77%
9
143 (34.27%)
2,256
1.24
1.60
2,642
55.94%
9
361 (45.71%)
+1
2,042
-3.67
1.06
0.02
2,252
-8.13
54.29%
-0.15%
9
8 (50.00%)
2,255
1.75
0.88
2,294
50.00%
9
90 (37.78%)
2,114
1.28
1.51
2,607
55.56%
9
337 (46.88%)
2,745
1.71
0.66
2,796
63.80%
9
18 (33.33%)
+1
2,250
-40.44
0.89
-0.05
0.83
-0.05
1,982
-108.27
50.00%
-2.94%
9
373 (33.51%)
1,483
1.15
2.83
3,025
58.71%
9
55 (56.36%)
2,585
1.42
1.16
3,321
63.64%
9
112 (42.86%)
+1
2,753
-14.95
2.13
-0.01
1.14
-0.01
3,300
-25.84
60.71%
+0.35%
9
72 (38.89%)
2,038
1.42
0.67
2,392
65.28%
9
87 (42.53%)
2,321
1.52
1.31
2,875
66.67%
9
270 (31.11%)
2,366
1.25
1.46
2,890
57.41%
9
459 (34.20%)
2,116
1.31
1.75
2,731
59.04%
9
351 (36.75%)
1,762
1.31
2.46
3,542
62.68%
9
326 (46.01%)
+1
2,714
+4.67
1.64
0.70
3,107
+5.77
64.11%
+0.11%
9
271 (37.27%)
1,595
1.16
1.84
3,096
61.25%
9
194 (46.39%)
2,555
1.73
1.21
3,062
65.98%
9
77 (50.65%)
2,726
1.77
0.49
2,757
59.74%
9
74 (29.73%)
2,128
1.00
0.61
2,197
56.76%
9
95 (37.89%)
2,426
1.44
1.37
3,154
61.05%
9
151 (34.44%)
2,343
1.20
1.05
2,677
58.94%
9
96 (44.79%)
2,739
1.68
0.38
2,897
57.29%
9
234 (44.87%)
+4
2,633
-16.06
1.44
-0.01
1.43
-0.01
3,317
-37.02
62.39%
-0.22%
9
140 (43.57%)
2,333
1.50
1.20
3,161
65.71%
9
114 (35.96%)
+1
1,644
-7.70
1.14
2.60
+0.03
3,075
-10.70
62.28%
-0.55%
8
18 (27.78%)
1,832
1.39
0.61
2,161
55.56%
8
26 (30.77%)
+2
1,627
+112.67
1.50
+0.08
0.81
-0.03
2,167
+191.52
53.85%
-0.32%
8
174 (39.08%)
1,961
1.64
0.87
2,711
60.34%
8
1 (100.00%)
1,486
1.00
0.00
1,922
100.00%
8
35 (45.71%)
1,660
1.29
1.63
2,791
57.14%
8
3 (33.33%)
1,629
1.00
1.67
2,400
66.67%
8
92 (22.83%)
1,391
0.97
1.18
1,835
51.09%
8
171 (33.33%)
1,385
1.12
1.02
2,069
53.80%
8
56 (50.00%)
2,313
1.70
0.93
3,532
62.50%
8
27 (51.85%)
1,840
1.22
1.56
3,276
66.67%
8
4 (50.00%)
+1
685
+106.75
0.75
+0.08
3.25
+0.25
1,333
+264.02
100.00%
8
74 (58.11%)
2,121
1.54
0.93
2,956
70.27%
8
144 (38.19%)
1,740
1.40
1.28
2,747
59.03%
8
105 (38.10%)
1,466
0.85
0.03
1,932
49.52%
8
238 (34.87%)
1,885
1.22
1.16
2,758
60.08%
8
370 (35.68%)
1,678
1.31
1.28
2,336
58.11%
8
45 (40.00%)
1,749
1.02
0.84
2,472
62.22%
8
159 (34.59%)
1,921
1.55
0.71
2,490
52.20%
8
86 (33.72%)
1,380
0.94
0.41
1,594
47.67%
8
78 (39.74%)
2,159
1.60
0.42
2,891
66.67%
8
85 (34.12%)
1,789
1.00
1.24
2,770
68.24%
8
34 (41.18%)
1,607
1.56
0.62
2,180
50.00%
8
25 (48.00%)
1,582
1.12
0.08
2,352
60.00%
8
14 (42.86%)
1,884
1.43
1.57
2,587
64.29%
8
1 (0.00%)
1,895
4.00
3.00
5,106
0.00%
8
98 (44.90%)
1,573
1.50
2.37
3,991
60.20%
8
26 (30.77%)
1,618
1.08
0.04
1,930
46.15%
8
95 (34.74%)
1,443
1.34
2.71
3,719
55.79%
8
20 (40.00%)
1,483
1.35
1.30
2,449
55.00%
8
23 (47.83%)
1,801
1.35
0.65
2,722
73.91%
8
46 (43.48%)
1,769
0.87
0.83
2,340
69.57%
8
85 (43.53%)
1,997
1.53
1.24
3,250
72.94%
8
59 (30.51%)
1,937
1.27
1.22
2,780
69.49%
8
122 (27.87%)
1,637
1.29
1.30
2,829
53.28%
8
139 (46.76%)
2,059
1.47
1.58
3,634
61.87%
8
80 (45.00%)
1,906
1.61
1.16
3,538
62.50%
8
115 (46.09%)
2,337
1.50
0.30
2,675
59.13%
8
89 (52.81%)
2,433
1.80
0.28
3,219
60.67%
8
86 (50.00%)
1,815
1.40
1.12
3,040
67.44%
8
4 (25.00%)
879
0.50
0.75
1,062
75.00%
8
89 (38.20%)
2,084
1.71
0.87
3,392
65.17%
8
166 (45.18%)
1,830
1.13
0.03
2,516
54.22%
8
44 (40.91%)
1,754
1.50
0.98
2,755
54.55%
8
156 (27.56%)
1,027
0.87
1.46
1,520
54.49%
8
1 (100.00%)
3,148
1.00
4.00
5,107
100.00%
8
6 (66.67%)
1,469
1.17
0.83
2,175
66.67%
8
27 (33.33%)
1,923
1.30
1.26
2,770
62.96%
8
65 (46.15%)
1,805
1.54
0.35
2,480
64.62%
8
112 (20.54%)
1,524
0.84
1.21
1,952
53.57%
8
62 (38.71%)
1,677
0.85
0.60
1,978
51.61%
8
88 (31.82%)
1,830
1.25
1.69
2,790
53.41%
8
113 (29.20%)
1,811
1.20
1.26
2,866
62.83%
8
16 (37.50%)
1,650
1.06
1.00
2,426
43.75%
8
64 (53.13%)
1,756
1.36
0.36
2,169
65.63%
8
88 (37.50%)
1,869
1.23
1.56
2,743
59.09%
8
51 (27.45%)
+3
1,396
-4.61
0.92
+0.05
0.18
+0.03
1,434
-5.30
54.90%
-1.35%
8
9 (66.67%)
2,008
2.67
0.33
2,321
66.67%
8
179 (36.31%)
1,501
1.12
2.75
3,447
55.87%
7
29 (24.14%)
1,383
1.14
0.90
2,012
44.83%
7
67 (23.88%)
866
0.66
2.43
1,971
56.72%
7
24 (16.67%)
1,301
1.42
0.83
2,542
54.17%
7
54 (24.07%)
1,241
1.00
1.22
2,041
57.41%
7
105 (31.43%)
1,143
1.16
0.95
1,834
50.48%
7
37 (27.03%)
+9
940
-16.26
0.65
-0.03
1.11
+0.11
1,359,444
-37,499.64
35.14%
-4.15%
7
47 (40.43%)
1,925
1.91
0.62
3,417
61.70%
7
2 (0.00%)
717
1.00
0.00
n/a
852
0.00%
7
249 (40.56%)
1,286
1.41
1.66
2,757
60.24%
7
4 (50.00%)
881
0.75
0.00
1,176
50.00%
7
6 (33.33%)
1,576
1.83
1.83
2,582
33.33%
7
94 (31.91%)
1,171
0.88
1.06
1,728
55.32%
7
29 (27.59%)
1,329
1.31
1.21
2,235
58.62%
7
25 (24.00%)
906
0.72
0.72
1,076
36.00%
7
46 (32.61%)
1,207
1.24
1.04
2,007
60.87%
7
13 (30.77%)
1,250
1.15
1.77
2,148
38.46%
7
36 (52.78%)
1,116
1.00
0.06
1,787
66.67%
7
50 (48.00%)
1,656
1.54
0.88
2,775
64.00%
7
65 (36.92%)
1,390
1.38
1.51
2,726
56.92%
7
73 (41.10%)
1,387
1.38
1.23
2,808
56.16%
7
46 (36.96%)
1,512
1.87
0.74
2,874
80.43%
7
108 (39.81%)
1,226
1.61
0.70
2,097
64.81%
7
166 (48.19%)
1,244
1.05
0.03
2,051
56.02%
7
95 (34.74%)
1,234
1.43
0.41
2,092
49.47%
7
33 (42.42%)
1,562
2.18
0.27
2,508
60.61%
7
93 (37.63%)
960
1.05
1.12
1,730
55.91%
7
65 (29.23%)
1,592
1.58
2.06
3,300
56.92%
7
48 (41.67%)
1,409
1.25
0.63
2,361
66.67%
7
12 (25.00%)
1,727
1.58
0.92
3,114
58.33%
7
141 (33.33%)
1,433
1.26
1.12
2,194
58.16%
7
84 (21.43%)
1,131
1.07
2.69
2,862
57.14%
7
23 (47.83%)
1,569
1.30
0.91
2,585
73.91%
7
57 (24.56%)
1,379
1.07
1.09
2,131
57.89%
7
72 (30.56%)
995
0.97
2.49
2,511
56.94%
6
41 (31.71%)
709
0.73
3.20
2,317
73.17%
6
21 (19.05%)
1,067
1.52
0.76
2,231
42.86%
6
6 (16.67%)
984
1.33
1.83
3,215
33.33%
6
50 (8.00%)
582
0.50
2.42
1,558
50.00%
6
69 (37.68%)
853
1.01
1.29
1,914
72.46%
6
12 (16.67%)
847
1.25
0.58
1,602
25.00%
6
9 (44.44%)
1,069
1.33
1.22
2,482
66.67%
6
19 (21.05%)
+3
822
-27.84
1.05
-0.01
1.16
-0.03
1,516,263
-46,560.99
47.37%
-2.63%
6
7 (71.43%)
+2
1,196
+47.06
1.57
-0.23
0.14
-0.06
4,172,198
+21,381.08
57.14%
+17.14%
6
38 (34.21%)
1,048
1.50
0.79
2,663
60.53%
6
51 (31.37%)
771
1.00
0.69
1,545
50.98%
6
196 (27.04%)
877
1.24
1.88
2,200
64.29%
6
2 (0.00%)
477
1.00
2.00
936
100.00%
6
40 (27.50%)
394
1.00
1.23
1,401
67.50%
6
126 (53.17%)
+1
872
-6.25
1.09
0.14
1,864
-12.79
58.73%
+0.33%
6
151 (38.41%)
1,288
1.72
0.92
3,078
63.58%
6
4 (50.00%)
1,424
1.50
0.00
2,862
50.00%
6
39 (46.15%)
1,070
1.64
0.72
2,705
66.67%
6
71 (33.80%)
1,158
1.34
0.94
2,554
52.11%
6
139 (38.13%)
794
1.10
0.72
1,489
53.96%
6
5 (40.00%)
726
1.20
0.00
1,320
60.00%
6
96 (28.13%)
753
1.10
1.33
1,768
57.29%
6
20 (50.00%)
1,225
1.65
0.60
2,738
75.00%
6
31 (35.48%)
1,017
1.52
0.55
2,020
51.61%
6
38 (36.84%)
1,240
1.87
1.11
3,265
68.42%
6
80 (31.25%)
1,059
1.51
0.53
2,307
55.00%
6
79 (35.44%)
800
0.99
0.14
1,210
48.10%
6
47 (29.79%)
914
0.85
0.81
1,700
57.45%
6
152 (31.58%)
712
1.07
0.85
1,550
53.95%
6
30 (10.00%)
586
0.57
2.13
1,821
70.00%
6
39 (23.08%)
939
0.69
2.69
2,894
58.97%
6
35 (34.29%)
713
0.74
0.31
1,135
51.43%
6
8 (37.50%)
803
1.50
0.63
1,671
50.00%
6
158 (20.89%)
630
0.74
3.08
1,759
65.19%
6
138 (21.01%)
710
0.99
2.21
2,721
60.14%
6
32 (28.13%)
879
1.25
0.84
1,875
50.00%
6
44 (22.73%)
572
0.84
0.82
1,042
59.09%
6
19 (26.32%)
999
1.26
0.68
2,236
63.16%
5
1 (0.00%)
310
1.00
1.00
n/a
482
0.00%
5
9 (22.22%)
141
0.44
1.56
618
77.78%
5
6 (33.33%)
636
1.33
1.33
752,681
50.00%
5
22 (9.09%)
410
0.73
2.64
1,744
59.09%
5
22 (45.45%)
650
1.09
0.55
1,829
72.73%
5
26 (19.23%)
956
1.77
1.35
2,874
42.31%
5
6 (33.33%)
252
0.33
0.00
n/a
266
33.33%
5
2 (50.00%)
803
1.50
2.00
3,895
100.00%
5
16 (18.75%)
748
0.88
1.69
2,402
56.25%
5
33 (18.18%)
561
0.85
0.58
1,637
60.61%
5
29 (37.93%)
578
1.07
1.00
1,385
58.62%
5
57 (17.54%)
264
0.86
1.74
1,157
47.37%
5
16 (12.50%)
630
0.56
0.81
789,162
31.25%
5
65 (27.69%)
628
1.22
0.72
1,574
55.38%
5
4 (25.00%)
233
1.25
1.00
207
25.00%
5
1 (100.00%)
36
1.00
0.00
n/a
261
100.00%
5
162 (30.25%)
560
1.40
1.13
1,793
58.02%
5
14 (28.57%)
866
1.93
2.21
4,902
71.43%
5
67 (37.31%)
503
1.07
0.96
1,389
50.75%
5
24 (12.50%)
239
0.46
0.88
424
29.17%
5
5 (0.00%)
107
0.00
0.20
n/a
195
60.00%
5
17 (47.06%)
925
1.41
0.65
2,780
58.82%
5
12 (41.67%)
697
1.67
0.17
1,780
58.33%
5
17 (29.41%)
1,068
2.24
1.94
5,304
58.82%
5
115 (26.96%)
621
1.24
0.61
1,772
60.87%
5
51 (56.86%)
469
0.90
0.04
1,120
58.82%
5
52 (30.77%)
707
1.23
0.38
1,907
53.85%
5
75 (33.33%)
511
1.25
1.00
1,611
49.33%
5
37 (40.54%)
899
1.78
1.22
2,847
70.27%
5
15 (13.33%)
631
1.00
1.00
1,932
60.00%
5
50 (24.00%)
420
0.66
0.96
765
46.00%
5
5 (20.00%)
705
0.80
1.40
1,594
40.00%
4
9 (22.22%)
297
1.00
0.89
744
33.33%
4
18 (22.22%)
388
1.28
0.39
1,591
66.67%
4
20 (35.00%)
333
0.80
0.15
1,325
50.00%
4
16 (12.50%)
224
1.00
1.50
1,097
75.00%
4
18 (22.22%)
299
1.28
0.22
799
55.56%
4
5 (40.00%)
576
1.60
2.60
3,016
60.00%
4
9 (11.11%)
131
0.22
0.89
232
44.44%
4
12 (16.67%)
61
0.17
1.33
90
50.00%
4
16 (37.50%)
453
1.13
0.31
1,295
62.50%
4
27 (29.63%)
337
0.78
0.81
944
48.15%
4
20 (20.00%)
206
0.60
1.55
847
65.00%
4
7 (0.00%)
211
0.57
0.71
390
28.57%
4
25 (28.00%)
356
0.96
0.00
781
48.00%
4
14 (21.43%)
217
0.79
0.43
526
42.86%
4
64 (23.44%)
435
1.13
1.25
1,890
65.63%
4
4 (25.00%)
111
0.50
0.25
n/a
187
50.00%
3
3 (33.33%)
124
1.33
0.33
624
66.67%
3
16 (37.50%)
446
1.88
1.81
2,935
62.50%
3
3 (0.00%)
387
2.00
0.33
2,297
66.67%
3
74 (28.38%)
335
1.43
1.11
1,752
59.46%
3
19 (15.79%)
124
0.32
2.05
438
52.63%
3
5 (20.00%)
118
1.00
0.00
42
20.00%
3
26 (30.77%)
92
0.69
1.15
131
46.15%
3
6 (33.33%)
391
2.00
2.33
2,871
66.67%
3
8 (50.00%)
95
0.25
0.00
n/a
146
37.50%
3
15 (46.67%)
249
1.27
0.13
700
53.33%
3
22 (18.18%)
139
0.77
0.86
676
63.64%
3
7 (28.57%)
418
1.43
1.14
1,928
71.43%
2
11 (45.45%)
168
1.18
0.09
794
72.73%
2
5 (60.00%)
288
1.80
1.00
1,550
60.00%
2
2 (0.00%)
125
1.00
2.00
361
50.00%
2
8 (25.00%)
96
0.38
1.50
479
87.50%
2
30 (20.00%)
143
0.87
1.47
661
46.67%
2
11 (27.27%)
154
1.09
0.00
741
36.36%
2
47 (25.53%)
188
1.17
0.72
1,050
55.32%
2
16 (31.25%)
166
1.13
1.00
939
56.25%
2
30 (30.00%)
163
0.93
0.73
796
50.00%
2
2 (0.00%)
39
0.00
0.50
n/a
82
50.00%
1
1 (100.00%)
319
3.00
2.00
2,718
100.00%
1
2 (0.00%)
0
0.00
0.50
n/a
0
0.00%
1
8 (12.50%)
100
0.75
0.75
351
37.50%
1
1 (100.00%)
0
0.00
0.00
261
100.00%
1
5 (0.00%)
53
0.20
2.20
320
80.00%
Gold cost of prem vehicles: 0
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Creadits spent on regular vhicles: 0
Credits to gold: 0

Total Gold: 0
Total USD: $0.00

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