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Players Tanks: 202 All Tanks   |   Recent Tanks
Tier Nation Tank Type Battles (Survived%) Damage Frags Spotted Mastery WN8 Win Other Players
10 121 Stats / Compare 447 (21.70%) 1,589 0.77 1.20 1,262 48.10% vs. Server
10 AMX 50 B Stats / Compare 190 (25.79%) 1,959 1.00 0.90 1,579 50.00% vs. Server
10 E 100 Stats / Compare 434 (36.64%) 2,040 0.99 0.88 1,685 52.07% vs. Server
10 IS-4 Stats / Compare 707 (36.49%) 1,696 0.82 0.79 1,350 50.35% vs. Server
10 IS-7 Stats / Compare 1625 (31.88%) +1 1,761 -0.47 0.88 1.09 1,499 -1.05 49.72% -0.03% vs. Server
10 Obj. 140 Stats / Compare 68 (13.24%) 1,549 0.97 1.38 1,123 35.29% vs. Server
10 Obj. 268 Stats / Compare 90 (28.89%) 1,717 0.81 0.62 1,090 40.00% vs. Server
10 Obj. 907 Stats / Compare 98 (22.45%) 1,625 0.90 1.30 1,151 48.98% vs. Server
10 T110E4 Stats / Compare 1234 (38.41%) +1 2,258 -1.83 1.18 0.57 1,790 -1.95 50.16% -0.04% vs. Server
10 T110E5 Stats / Compare 1156 (29.84%) 1,780 0.84 1.04 1,418 46.63% vs. Server
9 AMX 50 120 Stats / Compare 201 (21.39%) 1,733 1.03 0.78 1,703 47.26% vs. Server
9 Škoda T 50 Stats / Compare 84 (16.67%) 1,573 0.85 1.08 1,310 47.62% vs. Server
9 E 50 Stats / Compare 585 (28.89%) 1,750 1.02 1.20 1,792 55.73% vs. Server
9 E 75 Stats / Compare 2118 (36.40%) 1,726 1.06 0.90 1,850 51.42% vs. Server
9 G.W. Tiger Stats / Compare 28 (25.00%) 746 0.21 0.04 n/a 427 39.29% vs. Server
9 M103 Stats / Compare 348 (32.47%) 1,516 0.91 0.88 1,548 50.57% vs. Server
9 Obj. 704 Stats / Compare 424 (45.28%) 1,979 1.31 0.46 1,693 52.59% vs. Server
9 T-10 Stats / Compare 179 (26.26%) 1,372 0.89 1.18 1,362 45.81% vs. Server
9 T-54 Stats / Compare 231 (30.30%) 1,581 1.04 1.42 1,863 60.61% vs. Server
9 T-54 ltwt. Stats / Compare 40 (15.00%) 1,063 0.55 1.85 1,398 50.00% vs. Server
9 T30 Stats / Compare 43 (37.21%) 1,168 0.49 0.44 705 39.53% vs. Server
9 WZ-120 Stats / Compare 259 (28.19%) 1,564 0.94 1.44 1,746 50.58% vs. Server
8 110 Stats / Compare 151 (23.84%) 1,423 0.95 1.15 1,807 45.70% vs. Server
8 AMX 50 100 Stats / Compare 607 (30.97%) 1,473 1.11 0.69 1,758 52.88% vs. Server
8 AMX M4 49 Stats / Compare 404 (24.26%) 1,283 0.68 1.00 1,487 53.71% vs. Server
8 Emil I Stats / Compare 125 (24.00%) 1,292 0.84 0.78 1,344 51.20% vs. Server
8 FCM 50 t Stats / Compare 609 (27.91%) 1,163 0.87 1.32 1,517 53.53% vs. Server
8 IS-3 Stats / Compare 1259 (34.39%) 1,514 1.08 0.94 1,965 54.57% vs. Server
8 IS-3A Stats / Compare 15 (13.33%) 959 1.07 0.40 690 40.00% vs. Server
8 IS-5 Stats / Compare 1488 (34.81%) 1,471 1.03 0.98 1,849 57.46% vs. Server
8 IS-6 Stats / Compare 7180 (40.75%) 1,670 1.32 0.98 2,179 56.00% vs. Server
8 ISU-152 Stats / Compare 207 (37.68%) 1,668 1.26 0.50 2,001 51.21% vs. Server
8 JgTig.8,8 cm Stats / Compare 1198 (34.89%) 1,297 0.97 0.65 1,579 50.08% vs. Server
8 LTTB Stats / Compare 77 (19.48%) 849 0.81 2.34 1,696 57.14% vs. Server
8 M 41 90 GF Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 119 0.00 2.00 n/a 134 50.00% vs. Server
8 M41 Bulldog Stats / Compare 99 (21.21%) 735 0.67 2.16 1,375 56.57% vs. Server
8 M46 KR Stats / Compare 47 (29.79%) 1,201 0.83 1.17 1,637 57.45% vs. Server
8 Panther 8,8 Stats / Compare 11 (27.27%) 1,270 1.18 1.55 2,052 72.73% vs. Server
8 Panther II Stats / Compare 183 (30.60%) 914 0.68 1.04 1,194 51.37% vs. Server
8 Pz. 58 Mutz Stats / Compare 14 (14.29%) 1,191 0.79 0.79 1,337 28.57% vs. Server
8 Rhm.-B. WT Stats / Compare 944 (35.17%) 1,580 1.15 0.40 1,690 53.28% vs. Server
8 Skorpion G Stats / Compare 17 (35.29%) 1,637 0.94 0.24 1,456 41.18% vs. Server
8 T-34-2 Stats / Compare 222 (32.43%) 994 0.77 1.33 1,374 47.75% vs. Server
8 T-34-3 Stats / Compare 5 (20.00%) 843 0.80 1.20 1,105 60.00% vs. Server
8 T-44 Stats / Compare 135 (36.30%) 1,185 0.80 1.08 1,681 59.26% vs. Server
8 T-44-100 Stats / Compare 49 (22.45%) 1,254 0.82 0.80 1,410 46.94% vs. Server
8 T-54 mod. 1 Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 728 0.50 0.50 845 100.00% vs. Server
8 T26E4 Stats / Compare 30 (23.33%) 1,020 0.70 0.67 1,088 40.00% vs. Server
8 T28 Prot. Stats / Compare 101 (44.55%) 1,221 0.96 0.33 1,318 53.47% vs. Server
8 T32 Stats / Compare 237 (32.07%) 1,331 0.88 1.06 1,594 48.95% vs. Server
8 T34 Stats / Compare 376 (29.26%) 1,311 0.75 0.79 1,498 44.15% vs. Server
8 Tiger II Stats / Compare 346 (34.97%) 1,144 0.83 0.77 n/a 1,357 47.11% vs. Server
8 TVP VTU Stats / Compare 13 (7.69%) 946 0.85 0.69 1,166 23.08% vs. Server
8 Type 59 Stats / Compare 7832 (30.82%) +1 1,242 -0.13 0.99 1.33 1,748 -0.23 51.98% +0.01% vs. Server
8 VK 45.02 A Stats / Compare 50 (30.00%) 584 0.40 0.50 n/a 359 36.00% vs. Server
7 AMX 13 75 Stats / Compare 96 (26.04%) 872 0.92 1.68 2,027 48.96% vs. Server
7 AMX M4 45 Stats / Compare 64 (39.06%) 1,033 0.91 0.64 1,484 50.00% vs. Server
7 Crusader SP Stats / Compare 101 (50.50%) 948 0.81 0.09 1,543 51.49% vs. Server
7 E 25 Stats / Compare 72 (26.39%) 947 0.92 1.25 1,250 45.83% vs. Server
7 FV201 (A45) Stats / Compare 26 (38.46%) 919 0.88 1.27 1,466 65.38% vs. Server
7 G.W. Panther Stats / Compare 679 (39.03%) 1,307 0.93 0.03 1,671 50.66% vs. Server
7 IS-2 Stats / Compare 73 (35.62%) 1,205 1.32 0.95 1,761 50.68% vs. Server
7 O-Ni Stats / Compare 28 (28.57%) 1,032 0.89 0.79 1,332 57.14% vs. Server
7 Panther Stats / Compare 187 (39.57%) 603 0.72 0.73 839 49.20% vs. Server
7 Scorpion Stats / Compare 7 (14.29%) 1,203 1.43 0.43 1,606 14.29% vs. Server
7 SU-122-44 Stats / Compare 27 (25.93%) 1,015 1.00 0.85 1,328 48.15% vs. Server
7 SU-152 Stats / Compare 119 (41.18%) 1,055 1.12 0.49 1,699 54.62% vs. Server
7 T-34-1 Stats / Compare 60 (28.33%) 1,017 1.10 1.25 1,653 48.33% vs. Server
7 T-34/100 Stats / Compare 136 (32.35%) 997 0.96 0.97 1,696 52.21% vs. Server
7 T-43 Stats / Compare 77 (29.87%) 939 0.88 1.04 1,595 51.95% vs. Server
7 T23E3 Stats / Compare 57 (24.56%) 724 0.70 1.32 1,118 50.88% vs. Server
7 T25/2 Stats / Compare 58 (41.38%) 797 0.79 0.84 1,167 55.17% vs. Server
7 T29 Stats / Compare 2377 (40.05%) 1,267 1.15 0.91 1,822 56.58% vs. Server
7 Tiger (P) Stats / Compare 282 (32.98%) 673 0.55 0.56 n/a 630 39.01% vs. Server
7 Tiger I Stats / Compare 280 (34.64%) 768 0.66 0.74 857 46.07% vs. Server
7 VK 45.03 Stats / Compare 19 (26.32%) 1,162 1.32 0.47 1,513 42.11% vs. Server
6 AMX 12 t Stats / Compare 9 (0.00%) 192 0.00 2.11 n/a 445 66.67% vs. Server
6 AMX 13 F3 Stats / Compare 12 (33.33%) 654 0.83 0.25 837 33.33% vs. Server
6 ARL 44 Stats / Compare 110 (32.73%) 786 0.93 0.60 1,389 50.00% vs. Server
6 ARL V39 Stats / Compare 45 (46.67%) 769 0.93 0.64 1,535 51.11% vs. Server
6 Škoda T 25 Stats / Compare 48 (16.67%) 630 0.65 1.21 1,253 62.50% vs. Server
6 Škoda T 40 Stats / Compare 5 (0.00%) 680 0.80 1.20 1,166 40.00% vs. Server
6 Chi-To Stats / Compare 133 (36.09%) 809 1.28 0.77 1,844 53.38% vs. Server
6 Cromwell Stats / Compare 48 (25.00%) 674 0.92 1.81 1,446 56.25% vs. Server
6 Cromwell B Stats / Compare 3 (33.33%) 946 2.00 0.67 1,978 66.67% vs. Server
6 FV304 Stats / Compare 165 (40.61%) 661 0.92 0.10 1,176 49.09% vs. Server
6 Hellcat Stats / Compare 1015 (36.26%) 1,032 1.42 0.97 2,188 57.44% vs. Server
6 HT No. VI Stats / Compare 97 (37.11%) 796 0.95 0.91 1,471 51.55% vs. Server
6 Hummel Stats / Compare 190 (36.84%) 789 0.97 0.07 1,232 49.47% vs. Server
6 Jg.Pz. IV Stats / Compare 76 (43.42%) 945 1.59 0.71 2,280 61.84% vs. Server
6 KV-1S Stats / Compare 67 (37.31%) 630 1.27 1.00 1,494 56.72% vs. Server
6 KV-2 Stats / Compare 27 (22.22%) 775 0.78 0.52 1,148 40.74% vs. Server
6 KV-85 Stats / Compare 858 (39.74%) 997 1.35 0.80 2,118 61.54% vs. Server
6 M4A3E8 Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 287 0.00 0.50 n/a 342 50.00% vs. Server
6 Nashorn Stats / Compare 43 (37.21%) 935 1.14 0.67 1,925 65.12% vs. Server
6 O-I Stats / Compare 52 (38.46%) 1,007 1.33 0.60 1,870 57.69% vs. Server
6 Strv 74 Stats / Compare 30 (23.33%) 847 0.87 1.07 1,801 60.00% vs. Server
6 SU-100 Stats / Compare 75 (34.67%) 944 1.61 0.69 2,085 50.67% vs. Server
6 SU-100Y Stats / Compare 18 (38.89%) 829 1.28 0.89 1,587 50.00% vs. Server
6 T-150 Stats / Compare 154 (32.47%) 850 0.92 0.79 1,557 52.60% vs. Server
6 T-34-85 Stats / Compare 272 (31.99%) 790 0.99 1.21 1,767 56.99% vs. Server
6 T37 Stats / Compare 220 (20.00%) 557 0.65 1.70 1,528 50.00% vs. Server
6 TOG II* Stats / Compare 42 (40.48%) 905 1.24 0.45 1,582 45.24% vs. Server
6 Type 58 Stats / Compare 148 (20.95%) 736 0.99 1.07 1,609 52.70% vs. Server
6 VK 30.01 P Stats / Compare 254 (33.46%) 318 0.31 0.63 n/a 371 46.46% vs. Server
6 VK 36.01 H Stats / Compare 107 (36.45%) 894 1.17 0.95 1,940 60.75% vs. Server
5 A-20 Stats / Compare 5 (0.00%) 97 0.20 2.00 n/a 127 20.00% vs. Server
5 AMX 13 AM Stats / Compare 55 (36.36%) 455 0.87 0.09 1,026 54.55% vs. Server
5 AMX ELC bis Stats / Compare 11 (18.18%) 434 0.82 0.91 1,358 27.27% vs. Server
5 BDR G1 B Stats / Compare 627 (32.54%) 793 1.36 0.82 2,028 56.14% vs. Server
5 Bishop Stats / Compare 11 (36.36%) 318 0.82 0.18 630 54.55% vs. Server
5 Chaffee Stats / Compare 3 (33.33%) 355 0.33 1.67 946 33.33% vs. Server
5 Covenanter Stats / Compare 33 (27.27%) 526 1.70 1.52 3,159 51.52% vs. Server
5 Excelsior Stats / Compare 165 (47.27%) 726 1.57 1.30 1,984 61.82% vs. Server
5 Grille Stats / Compare 220 (34.55%) 517 0.92 0.05 1,039 44.55% vs. Server
5 KV-1 Stats / Compare 183 (37.70%) 618 1.26 0.57 1,539 58.47% vs. Server
5 Leopard Stats / Compare 9 (0.00%) 92 0.11 1.78 n/a 76 44.44% vs. Server
5 M4A1 Stats / Compare 971 (37.90%) 681 1.54 1.06 2,208 57.88% vs. Server
5 M7 Stats / Compare 41 (21.95%) 495 1.12 2.24 2,248 56.10% vs. Server
5 O-I Exp. Stats / Compare 42 (21.43%) 794 1.43 1.31 1,803 59.52% vs. Server
5 Pz. III/IV Stats / Compare 90 (18.89%) 202 0.40 1.54 n/a 482 56.67% vs. Server
5 Pz. IV H Stats / Compare 238 (26.05%) 241 0.44 0.65 395 42.02% vs. Server
5 Pz. T 25 Stats / Compare 22 (22.73%) 566 0.82 1.50 1,572 59.09% vs. Server
5 Pz.Sfl. IVc Stats / Compare 64 (35.94%) 708 1.27 0.52 1,912 50.00% vs. Server
5 Strv m/42 Stats / Compare 6 (16.67%) 405 0.83 0.50 999 50.00% vs. Server
5 StuG III G Stats / Compare 51 (47.06%) 695 1.31 0.43 1,978 64.71% vs. Server
5 StuG IV Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 320 0.00 2.00 590 50.00% vs. Server
5 SU-85 Stats / Compare 79 (27.85%) 618 1.25 0.43 1,609 45.57% vs. Server
5 SU-85I Stats / Compare 66 (30.30%) 545 0.98 0.48 1,211 48.48% vs. Server
5 T-50 Stats / Compare 3 (33.33%) 0 0.00 0.67 n/a 261 100.00% vs. Server
5 T67 Stats / Compare 38 (26.32%) 565 1.29 0.66 1,271 50.00% vs. Server
5 VK 30.01 H Stats / Compare 187 (35.83%) 490 0.79 1.04 1,031 54.55% vs. Server
5 Wolverine Stats / Compare 12 (8.33%) 492 0.83 0.83 1,079 41.67% vs. Server
4 AMX 40 Stats / Compare 24 (37.50%) 320 0.83 0.67 1,728 54.17% vs. Server
4 B1 Stats / Compare 9 (33.33%) 439 1.67 1.00 1,856 55.56% vs. Server
4 Cruiser IV Stats / Compare 52 (36.54%) 392 1.40 1.04 1,971 63.46% vs. Server
4 Hetzer Stats / Compare 77 (33.77%) 221 0.74 0.47 493 50.65% vs. Server
4 Lago Stats / Compare 10 (40.00%) 377 1.20 1.30 1,668 80.00% vs. Server
4 Luchs Stats / Compare 49 (24.49%) 344 0.80 2.41 1,385 53.06% vs. Server
4 M3 Lee Stats / Compare 7 (14.29%) 231 0.43 0.14 n/a 720 57.14% vs. Server
4 M8A1 Stats / Compare 152 (36.84%) 474 1.11 0.91 1,510 59.21% vs. Server
4 Marder 38T Stats / Compare 17 (29.41%) 690 1.76 0.53 2,392 58.82% vs. Server
4 Matilda Stats / Compare 20 (40.00%) 384 0.85 0.50 1,139 55.00% vs. Server
4 Pz. 38 nA Stats / Compare 84 (27.38%) 62 0.11 0.44 n/a 12 41.67% vs. Server
4 Pz. III J Stats / Compare 70 (14.29%) 110 0.27 1.06 n/a 164 45.71% vs. Server
4 St.Pz. II Stats / Compare 74 (27.03%) 199 0.72 0.15 n/a 458 40.54% vs. Server
4 SU-76M Stats / Compare 162 (36.42%) 360 1.54 0.84 1,547 61.11% vs. Server
4 T-28 Stats / Compare 157 (27.39%) 405 0.96 0.92 1,485 49.04% vs. Server
4 T40 Stats / Compare 6 (0.00%) 163 0.00 0.83 n/a 226 50.00% vs. Server
4 Valentine AT Stats / Compare 3 (33.33%) 410 2.00 0.33 1,708 66.67% vs. Server
3 AMX 38 Stats / Compare 4 (0.00%) 139 0.50 0.75 n/a 459 25.00% vs. Server
3 Bison Stats / Compare 21 (23.81%) 76 0.38 0.10 n/a 102 52.38% vs. Server
3 BT-7 art. Stats / Compare 3 (33.33%) 201 0.33 0.00 979 66.67% vs. Server
3 Chi-Ha Stats / Compare 7 (28.57%) 371 0.71 1.71 1,658 71.43% vs. Server
3 Cruiser III Stats / Compare 8 (25.00%) 144 0.25 0.75 651 62.50% vs. Server
3 D2 Stats / Compare 9 (44.44%) 323 0.89 0.67 1,603 77.78% vs. Server
3 FCM36Pak40 Stats / Compare 23 (34.78%) 356 1.35 0.65 1,131 52.17% vs. Server
3 Locust Stats / Compare 14 (35.71%) 304 1.14 1.00 1,509 50.00% vs. Server
3 Lorr. 39L AM Stats / Compare 25 (40.00%) 397 0.76 0.16 1,575 64.00% vs. Server
3 LTP Stats / Compare 19 (42.11%) 211 1.00 0.95 1,188 68.42% vs. Server
3 M2 Medium Stats / Compare 111 (36.94%) 283 1.36 1.64 1,446 57.66% vs. Server
3 M3 Light Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 38 0.00 0.50 n/a 102 50.00% vs. Server
3 Pz. 38 (t) Stats / Compare 27 (40.74%) 64 0.15 0.37 n/a 26 44.44% vs. Server
3 Pz. I C Stats / Compare 19 (15.79%) 156 0.58 0.58 524 42.11% vs. Server
3 Pz. II G Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 281 1.50 2.50 1,521 50.00% vs. Server
3 Pz. III E Stats / Compare 19 (10.53%) 74 0.37 1.53 n/a 65 42.11% vs. Server
3 Somua S35 Stats / Compare 37 (32.43%) 357 1.16 0.97 1,543 45.95% vs. Server
3 Strv m/40L Stats / Compare 1 (100.00%) 444 4.00 0.00 2,299 100.00% vs. Server
3 T-127 Stats / Compare 60 (33.33%) 346 1.35 1.15 1,483 50.00% vs. Server
3 T-46 Stats / Compare 61 (22.95%) 149 0.57 0.90 538 45.90% vs. Server
3 T56 GMC Stats / Compare 4 (0.00%) 137 0.00 0.25 n/a 200 25.00% vs. Server
3 Toldi III Stats / Compare 14 (7.14%) 242 0.50 1.14 1,490 64.29% vs. Server
3 Type 91 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 169 2.00 3.00 n/a 473 0.00% vs. Server
3 Wespe Stats / Compare 92 (50.00%) 424 1.08 0.04 1,717 51.09% vs. Server
2 AT-1 Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 195 0.50 0.50 n/a 867 75.00% vs. Server
2 BT-2 Stats / Compare 34 (17.65%) 152 0.74 1.29 748 47.06% vs. Server
2 FT BS Stats / Compare 7 (42.86%) 298 2.14 0.00 1,941 42.86% vs. Server
2 G.Pz. Mk. VI Stats / Compare 1 (100.00%) 0 0.00 0.00 n/a 261 100.00% vs. Server
2 H35 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 331 2.00 3.00 n/a 2,622 100.00% vs. Server
2 Light VIC Stats / Compare 7 (85.71%) 90 0.86 0.43 570 85.71% vs. Server
2 LT vz. 35 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 151 1.00 0.00 n/a 660 0.00% vs. Server
2 M2 Light Stats / Compare 3 (33.33%) 281 1.00 0.33 1,303 33.33% vs. Server
2 MKA Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 166 0.00 3.00 n/a 507 0.00% vs. Server
2 Pz. 35 (t) Stats / Compare 60 (38.33%) 75 0.38 0.73 n/a 247 53.33% vs. Server
2 Pz. II Stats / Compare 383 (33.16%) 295 1.64 1.44 1,977 56.40% vs. Server
2 Pz. II D Stats / Compare 30 (30.00%) 179 0.90 1.20 940 40.00% vs. Server
2 Pz.Jäg. I Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 0 0.00 0.00 n/a 0 0.00% vs. Server
2 Strv m/38 Stats / Compare 3 (0.00%) 182 0.67 3.67 n/a 821 0.00% vs. Server
2 SU-18 Stats / Compare 13 (23.08%) 44 0.23 0.23 n/a 2 38.46% vs. Server
2 T-26 Stats / Compare 509 (44.20%) 277 1.62 1.22 1,925 56.39% vs. Server
2 T1 HMC Stats / Compare 9 (33.33%) 144 0.89 0.11 591 33.33% vs. Server
2 T1E6 Stats / Compare 20 (40.00%) 197 1.25 0.95 1,296 55.00% vs. Server
2 T2 Medium Stats / Compare 9 (22.22%) 194 1.22 1.22 985 22.22% vs. Server
2 T3 HMC Stats / Compare 20 (50.00%) 212 1.25 0.35 1,023 75.00% vs. Server
2 T7 Car Stats / Compare 7 (28.57%) 116 1.00 0.57 766 71.43% vs. Server
2 Tetrarch Stats / Compare 148 (26.35%) 177 0.99 0.74 891 52.03% vs. Server
1 FT Stats / Compare 68 (47.06%) 222 1.74 1.44 1,879 67.65% vs. Server
1 K-housenka Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 81 0.50 1.00 n/a 234 0.00% vs. Server
1 L.Tr. Stats / Compare 81 (28.40%) 87 0.63 0.85 n/a 302 46.91% vs. Server
1 MS-1 Stats / Compare 561 (46.17%) 263 1.96 1.24 2,050 59.00% vs. Server
1 R. Otsu Stats / Compare 1 (100.00%) 155 2.00 1.00 1,254 100.00% vs. Server
1 T1 Stats / Compare 41 (24.39%) 136 0.90 1.49 775 46.34% vs. Server

Gold cost of prem vehicles: 0
USD Value: $0.00

Creadits spent on regular vhicles: 0
Credits to gold: 0

Total Gold: 0
Total USD: $0.00

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