Players sipek1210 [SWS]    

1,299

1,299

Players Tanks: 200 All Tanks   |   Recent Tanks
Tier Nation Tank Type Battles (Survived%) Damage Frags Spotted Mastery WN8 Win Other Players
10 Kranvagn Stats / Compare 215 (29.77%) +14 2,009 -36.23 0.96 -0.03 1.03 1,523 -46.87 44.19% -0.09% vs. Server
10 Leopard 1 Stats / Compare 20 (35.00%) +19 2,062 +2,016.00 0.55 0.75 1,474 55.00% vs. Server
10 Obj. 140 Stats / Compare 129 (24.03%) +1 1,360 +7.57 0.74 0.86 -0.01 949 +10.66 43.41% +0.44% vs. Server
10 Obj. 430U Stats / Compare 25 (20.00%) +1 1,423 -6.53 0.60 -0.03 0.88 -0.04 738 -30.40 36.00% -1.50% vs. Server
10 T-100 LT Stats / Compare 53 (16.98%) 1,062 0.72 3.13 1,149 45.28% vs. Server
10 T110E5 Stats / Compare 291 (34.02%) 1,689 0.81 1.03 1,315 48.80% vs. Server
10 Type 5 H Stats / Compare 134 (39.55%) +7 1,901 -1.96 0.82 -0.02 0.58 +0.01 1,299 -12.19 49.25% -0.35% vs. Server
9 E 75 Stats / Compare 438 (38.58%) 1,650 0.96 0.82 1,660 55.71% vs. Server
9 EBR 90 Stats / Compare 81 (22.22%) 723 0.63 4.07 984 51.85% vs. Server
9 Emil II Stats / Compare 144 (31.94%) 1,697 0.95 0.72 1,492 52.78% vs. Server
9 Foch Stats / Compare 86 (39.53%) 1,741 1.20 0.58 1,627 59.30% vs. Server
9 Leopard PT A Stats / Compare 52 (32.69%) 1,113 0.69 0.67 875 50.00% vs. Server
9 M103 Stats / Compare 458 (32.53%) 1,591 0.84 0.79 1,609 54.15% vs. Server
9 Obj. 430 Stats / Compare 82 (39.02%) 1,509 0.89 0.66 1,096 47.56% vs. Server
9 T-10 Stats / Compare 5 (0.00%) 479 0.00 1.60 377 80.00% vs. Server
9 T-54 Stats / Compare 274 (26.64%) 1,280 0.74 1.02 1,226 49.64% vs. Server
9 T-54 ltwt. Stats / Compare 152 (19.08%) 867 0.59 3.26 1,260 52.63% vs. Server
9 T54E1 Stats / Compare 10 (20.00%) 752 0.30 0.70 339 30.00% vs. Server
9 Type 4 H Stats / Compare 169 (38.46%) 1,201 0.69 0.60 1,120 56.80% vs. Server
9 UDES 16 Stats / Compare 101 (27.72%) +28 1,253 +115.22 0.56 +0.04 0.99 -0.02 976 +120.37 46.53% -0.04% vs. Server
8 AMX 50 100 Stats / Compare 299 (31.77%) 1,289 1.03 0.76 1,481 55.18% vs. Server
8 AMX AC 48 Stats / Compare 220 (29.55%) 1,037 0.77 0.46 1,067 49.55% vs. Server
8 Defender Stats / Compare 286 (36.36%) +25 1,493 -56.62 0.92 -0.05 0.87 -0.01 1,577 -93.55 52.80% -0.08% vs. Server
8 EBR 75 FL 10 Stats / Compare 124 (16.94%) +3 663 -1.80 0.65 -0.01 3.19 +0.01 974 +0.02 49.19% +0.43% vs. Server
8 Emil I Stats / Compare 129 (31.78%) 1,370 0.89 0.72 1,565 58.91% vs. Server
8 Indien-Pz. Stats / Compare 54 (38.89%) 1,017 0.96 0.39 1,233 55.56% vs. Server
8 IS-3 Stats / Compare 88 (38.64%) 1,372 1.06 0.93 1,678 52.27% vs. Server
8 IS-3A Stats / Compare 494 (38.26%) +51 1,464 +7.48 1.04 -0.01 0.69 +0.02 1,602 +13.88 57.69% -0.32% vs. Server
8 KV-5 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 594 0.00 0.00 n/a 323 0.00% vs. Server
8 LT-432 Stats / Compare 843 (27.40%) +53 855 -8.42 0.81 -0.01 3.30 +0.01 1,597 -31.79 53.97% -0.58% vs. Server
8 LTTB Stats / Compare 432 (24.77%) 710 0.64 2.92 1,365 51.16% vs. Server
8 Lynx 6x6 Stats / Compare 75 (12.00%) 567 0.49 2.37 777 42.67% vs. Server
8 M40/M43 Stats / Compare 82 (45.12%) 1,184 0.74 0.04 1,271 48.78% vs. Server
8 O-Ho Stats / Compare 183 (38.80%) 1,258 0.78 0.56 1,485 53.01% vs. Server
8 Rhm.-B. WT Stats / Compare 57 (36.84%) 1,353 0.68 0.19 1,135 47.37% vs. Server
8 SU-101 Stats / Compare 86 (30.23%) +65 1,242 +175.91 0.70 +0.08 0.36 +0.07 1,316 +288.76 52.33% +4.71% vs. Server
8 T-44 Stats / Compare 126 (26.98%) 1,033 0.72 0.90 1,268 47.62% vs. Server
8 T32 Stats / Compare 478 (33.89%) 1,067 0.80 0.94 1,269 53.14% vs. Server
8 Tiger II Stats / Compare 297 (33.67%) 1,156 0.81 0.78 1,320 48.48% vs. Server
8 UDES 03 Stats / Compare 83 (45.78%) 1,023 0.76 0.25 988 51.81% vs. Server
8 UDES 14 5 Stats / Compare 58 (24.14%) 875 0.41 0.55 748 46.55% vs. Server
7 AMX AC 46 Stats / Compare 215 (28.84%) 943 0.84 0.44 1,308 47.91% vs. Server
7 AMX M4 45 Stats / Compare 141 (39.72%) 1,108 0.96 0.72 1,638 53.90% vs. Server
7 Ikv 90 B Stats / Compare 63 (53.97%) 879 0.83 0.57 1,305 55.56% vs. Server
7 KV-3 Stats / Compare 133 (37.59%) 1,053 1.00 0.83 1,505 54.14% vs. Server
7 Leo Stats / Compare 78 (32.05%) 823 0.92 0.74 1,264 53.85% vs. Server
7 LTG Stats / Compare 281 (28.47%) 612 0.75 2.00 1,188 51.60% vs. Server
7 M12 Stats / Compare 142 (44.37%) 732 0.61 0.04 981 61.27% vs. Server
7 O-Ni Stats / Compare 185 (44.32%) 1,170 1.12 0.90 1,691 52.97% vs. Server
7 SP I C Stats / Compare 177 (20.90%) 608 0.55 1.61 1,067 49.15% vs. Server
7 St. Emil Stats / Compare 68 (42.65%) 976 0.99 0.21 1,372 51.47% vs. Server
7 SU-100M1 Stats / Compare 68 (38.24%) 1,322 1.15 0.72 1,988 51.47% vs. Server
7 Super Hellcat Stats / Compare 34 (50.00%) +5 893 +67.61 0.91 +0.15 0.56 -0.03 1,182 +147.12 44.12% -0.71% vs. Server
7 T20 Stats / Compare 33 (36.36%) 1,118 1.00 0.91 1,635 48.48% vs. Server
7 T28 HTC Stats / Compare 34 (44.12%) +6 1,088 +24.15 0.82 0.76 -0.13 1,536 +2.56 52.94% -0.63% vs. Server
7 T29 Stats / Compare 681 (36.71%) 919 0.92 1.09 1,156 53.45% vs. Server
7 Tiger I Stats / Compare 184 (32.61%) 868 0.78 0.75 1,117 52.72% vs. Server
6 Achilles Stats / Compare 1 (100.00%) 341 0.00 0.00 n/a 541 100.00% vs. Server
6 AMD 178B Stats / Compare 29 (20.69%) 330 0.66 3.45 869 55.17% vs. Server
6 ARL 44 Stats / Compare 201 (31.84%) 787 0.91 0.49 1,452 51.74% vs. Server
6 ARL V39 Stats / Compare 126 (35.71%) 643 0.98 0.37 1,219 56.35% vs. Server
6 Churchill VII Stats / Compare 21 (42.86%) 569 0.86 0.19 946 57.14% vs. Server
6 Cromwell Stats / Compare 646 (27.71%) 633 1.00 1.83 1,373 52.01% vs. Server
6 Crusader Stats / Compare 67 (20.90%) 325 0.69 1.21 911 55.22% vs. Server
6 Ikv 65 II Stats / Compare 24 (54.17%) 720 0.96 0.33 1,358 62.50% vs. Server
6 KV-85 Stats / Compare 270 (31.11%) 941 1.16 0.75 1,766 55.56% vs. Server
6 M44 Stats / Compare 155 (37.42%) 635 0.72 0.13 990 47.74% vs. Server
6 M4A3E2 Stats / Compare 344 (28.78%) 587 0.77 0.93 1,127 53.20% vs. Server
6 M6 Stats / Compare 231 (22.08%) 476 0.60 0.55 n/a 680 49.35% vs. Server
6 MT-25 Stats / Compare 483 (14.08%) 300 0.45 2.37 804 52.38% vs. Server
6 Nashorn Stats / Compare 100 (26.00%) 648 0.74 0.23 862 39.00% vs. Server
6 O-I Stats / Compare 109 (33.03%) 756 0.92 0.71 1,265 50.46% vs. Server
6 Strv 74 Stats / Compare 38 (36.84%) 828 1.16 0.76 1,716 55.26% vs. Server
6 SU-100 Stats / Compare 73 (35.62%) 893 1.23 0.58 1,572 39.73% vs. Server
6 SU-100Y Stats / Compare 73 (31.51%) +2 856 -3.27 0.77 -0.01 0.26 -0.01 1,310 +3.44 47.95% +1.47% vs. Server
6 SU-8 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 278 0.00 0.00 n/a 342 100.00% vs. Server
6 T-150 Stats / Compare 82 (41.46%) 870 1.09 0.66 1,634 50.00% vs. Server
6 T-34-85 Stats / Compare 140 (32.86%) 772 1.18 1.26 1,759 50.71% vs. Server
6 T-50-2 Stats / Compare 41 (29.27%) 446 0.68 2.88 1,262 56.10% vs. Server
6 VK 28.01 Stats / Compare 105 (14.29%) 425 0.33 2.25 1,108 50.48% vs. Server
6 VK 36.01 H Stats / Compare 375 (36.27%) 728 0.96 1.01 1,406 52.53% vs. Server
5 AMX ELC bis Stats / Compare 90 (23.33%) 321 0.61 1.93 1,203 58.89% vs. Server
5 BDR G1 B Stats / Compare 544 (38.79%) 666 1.23 0.75 1,589 55.70% vs. Server
5 Churchill I Stats / Compare 39 (28.21%) 606 1.08 0.64 1,330 51.28% vs. Server
5 Covenanter Stats / Compare 65 (10.77%) 264 0.66 1.57 992 41.54% vs. Server
5 Ikv 103 Stats / Compare 37 (24.32%) 377 1.14 0.54 903 51.35% vs. Server
5 KV-1 Stats / Compare 231 (38.10%) 636 1.15 0.77 1,489 54.11% vs. Server
5 Leopard Stats / Compare 64 (12.50%) 259 0.38 2.42 813 54.69% vs. Server
5 M10 RBFM Stats / Compare 56 (28.57%) 643 1.25 0.68 1,516 44.64% vs. Server
5 M41 HMC Stats / Compare 188 (38.30%) 862 0.80 0.08 1,449 48.40% vs. Server
5 M4A1 Stats / Compare 171 (18.13%) 392 0.86 0.96 998 51.46% vs. Server
5 O-I Exp. Stats / Compare 95 (37.89%) 509 0.86 0.56 852 53.68% vs. Server
5 Pz. IV H Stats / Compare 171 (23.98%) 373 0.77 0.98 973 54.97% vs. Server
5 Pz.Sfl. IVc Stats / Compare 115 (26.09%) 520 1.07 0.56 1,316 50.43% vs. Server
5 Ram II Stats / Compare 6 (16.67%) 507 1.00 1.00 1,502 66.67% vs. Server
5 S35 CA Stats / Compare 104 (35.58%) 654 1.18 0.57 1,537 51.92% vs. Server
5 Strv m/42 Stats / Compare 32 (28.13%) 506 0.81 0.66 1,295 46.88% vs. Server
5 StuG IV Stats / Compare 26 (42.31%) 684 1.58 0.38 2,032 57.69% vs. Server
5 T-34 Stats / Compare 47 (36.17%) 464 1.15 1.06 1,565 63.83% vs. Server
5 T-50 Stats / Compare 180 (11.67%) 120 0.28 2.87 279 54.44% vs. Server
5 T1 Heavy Stats / Compare 321 (21.18%) 337 0.62 0.84 n/a 560 47.04% vs. Server
5 T67 Stats / Compare 86 (29.07%) 577 1.09 1.87 1,481 56.98% vs. Server
5 Type T-34 Stats / Compare 70 (20.00%) 368 0.60 0.86 866 44.29% vs. Server
5 Valiant Stats / Compare 5 (40.00%) 636 0.60 0.40 1,253,967 40.00% vs. Server
5 Wolverine Stats / Compare 170 (28.24%) 537 1.02 0.68 1,248 50.59% vs. Server
4 AMX 40 Stats / Compare 31 (32.26%) 252 0.81 0.81 1,254 48.39% vs. Server
4 B1 Stats / Compare 29 (34.48%) 225 0.55 0.83 797 65.52% vs. Server
4 Birch Gun Stats / Compare 13 (53.85%) 381 0.46 0.00 1,352 61.54% vs. Server
4 Cruiser IV Stats / Compare 16 (18.75%) 212 1.00 0.88 922 68.75% vs. Server
4 Hetzer Stats / Compare 63 (30.16%) 432 1.43 0.40 1,332 53.97% vs. Server
4 Lago Stats / Compare 18 (27.78%) 249 1.00 0.67 705 44.44% vs. Server
4 Luchs Stats / Compare 60 (18.33%) 264 0.43 1.92 876 51.67% vs. Server
4 M3 Lee Stats / Compare 123 (21.95%) 154 0.48 0.47 n/a 425 53.66% vs. Server
4 M37 Stats / Compare 73 (32.88%) 215 0.67 0.18 n/a 715 56.16% vs. Server
4 M5A1 Stuart Stats / Compare 39 (28.21%) 211 0.67 1.59 773 51.28% vs. Server
4 M8A1 Stats / Compare 33 (18.18%) 447 1.48 0.88 1,376 45.45% vs. Server
4 Marder 38T Stats / Compare 38 (23.68%) 532 1.42 0.79 1,786 57.89% vs. Server
4 Matilda Stats / Compare 398 (40.95%) 518 1.22 0.74 1,885 60.55% vs. Server
4 P26/40 Stats / Compare 36 (16.67%) 252 0.58 0.61 644 47.22% vs. Server
4 Pz. 38 nA Stats / Compare 41 (9.76%) 87 0.24 3.05 n/a 72 41.46% vs. Server
4 Pz. B2 Stats / Compare 1 (100.00%) 56 0.00 2.00 261 100.00% vs. Server
4 SAu 40 Stats / Compare 50 (38.00%) 251 0.64 0.32 634 54.00% vs. Server
4 Sav m/43 Stats / Compare 41 (43.90%) 237 0.76 0.37 566 46.34% vs. Server
4 SU-76M Stats / Compare 27 (25.93%) 219 0.81 0.22 543 44.44% vs. Server
4 SU-85B Stats / Compare 32 (28.13%) 343 0.88 0.31 716 40.63% vs. Server
4 T-28 Stats / Compare 39 (20.51%) 386 1.00 0.92 1,491 56.41% vs. Server
4 T40 Stats / Compare 36 (30.56%) 390 1.08 0.39 959 52.78% vs. Server
4 Type 95 Stats / Compare 33 (12.12%) 259 0.91 0.48 859 45.45% vs. Server
4 Valentine AT Stats / Compare 5 (20.00%) 411 1.00 0.00 1,452 60.00% vs. Server
3 10TP Stats / Compare 21 (38.10%) 181 0.81 0.71 641 42.86% vs. Server
3 AMX 38 Stats / Compare 17 (29.41%) 66 0.24 0.35 94 47.06% vs. Server
3 Bison Stats / Compare 17 (47.06%) 247 0.71 0.06 799 52.94% vs. Server
3 BT-7 art. Stats / Compare 36 (30.56%) 372 1.06 1.31 2,165 61.11% vs. Server
3 Chi-Ha Stats / Compare 20 (25.00%) 208 0.60 0.35 841 75.00% vs. Server
3 Chi-Ha Stats / Compare 23 (4.35%) 306 1.26 0.65 1,236 52.17% vs. Server
3 Cruiser III Stats / Compare 7 (28.57%) 230 1.57 1.00 1,172 42.86% vs. Server
3 D2 Stats / Compare 22 (18.18%) 80 0.32 0.45 n/a 142 50.00% vs. Server
3 Ikv 72 Stats / Compare 16 (43.75%) 220 1.38 0.25 802 68.75% vs. Server
3 LTP Stats / Compare 88 (37.50%) 260 1.25 1.24 1,537 60.23% vs. Server
3 M15/42 Stats / Compare 12 (33.33%) 315 1.00 0.58 1,259 66.67% vs. Server
3 M2 Medium Stats / Compare 66 (18.18%) 107 0.56 0.79 n/a 250 46.97% vs. Server
3 M3 Stuart Stats / Compare 9 (22.22%) 273 0.89 2.11 1,339 44.44% vs. Server
3 M3G FT Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 173 0.50 0.00 n/a 399 50.00% vs. Server
3 M7 Priest Stats / Compare 107 (30.84%) 351 0.65 0.06 925 46.73% vs. Server
3 Marder II Stats / Compare 27 (25.93%) 275 0.81 0.56 795 48.15% vs. Server
3 Medium III Stats / Compare 11 (27.27%) 243 1.27 0.82 1,103 54.55% vs. Server
3 MTLS-1G14 Stats / Compare 8 (37.50%) 172 0.38 0.38 566 50.00% vs. Server
3 Pz. 38 (t) Stats / Compare 14 (28.57%) 193 0.79 1.21 n/a 832 71.43% vs. Server
3 Pz. I C Stats / Compare 48 (20.83%) 188 0.85 2.83 910 54.17% vs. Server
3 Pz. III E Stats / Compare 15 (13.33%) 90 0.40 0.53 n/a 124 40.00% vs. Server
3 Sexton II Stats / Compare 21 (14.29%) 120 0.48 0.14 363 47.62% vs. Server
3 Strv m/40L Stats / Compare 17 (5.88%) 197 0.76 0.94 618 23.53% vs. Server
3 T-116 Stats / Compare 13 (7.69%) 492 1.00 1.69 2,620 38.46% vs. Server
3 T-29 Stats / Compare 3 (0.00%) 135 1.00 0.67 312 33.33% vs. Server
3 T-46 Stats / Compare 23 (4.35%) 142 0.65 2.74 572 52.17% vs. Server
3 T56 GMC Stats / Compare 46 (19.57%) 170 0.67 0.48 343 34.78% vs. Server
3 Toldi III Stats / Compare 3 (33.33%) 294 0.33 1.33 1,689 66.67% vs. Server
3 Type 91 Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 213 0.50 1.25 728 50.00% vs. Server
3 UE 57 Stats / Compare 18 (22.22%) 152 0.44 0.44 484 66.67% vs. Server
3 Valentine Stats / Compare 33 (39.39%) 246 0.45 0.39 962 60.61% vs. Server
2 7TP Stats / Compare 9 (55.56%) 167 1.78 0.78 943 77.78% vs. Server
2 AT-1 Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 74 0.75 0.75 308 75.00% vs. Server
2 Chi-Ni Stats / Compare 17 (35.29%) 232 1.35 0.59 1,392 58.82% vs. Server
2 Cruiser II Stats / Compare 26 (34.62%) 208 0.81 0.77 963 65.38% vs. Server
2 D1 Stats / Compare 12 (50.00%) 157 1.25 0.17 n/a 762 50.00% vs. Server
2 FT AC Stats / Compare 3 (100.00%) 369 2.33 0.00 1,879 100.00% vs. Server
2 FT BS Stats / Compare 6 (50.00%) 27 0.00 0.17 n/a 235 66.67% vs. Server
2 H35 Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 224 1.25 1.00 n/a 1,223 0.00% vs. Server
2 I-Go/Chi-Ro Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 136 0.50 0.25 n/a 459 25.00% vs. Server
2 L6/40 Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 159 0.00 0.50 n/a 660 50.00% vs. Server
2 Light VIC Stats / Compare 9 (11.11%) 81 0.11 0.67 262 44.44% vs. Server
2 Loyd GC Stats / Compare 5 (40.00%) 88 0.20 0.00 469 60.00% vs. Server
2 M14/41 Stats / Compare 3 (0.00%) 169 1.00 1.00 667 33.33% vs. Server
2 M2 Light Stats / Compare 7 (0.00%) 81 0.14 1.29 n/a 128 28.57% vs. Server
2 MKA Stats / Compare 20 (25.00%) 235 1.65 2.00 1,304 55.00% vs. Server
2 Pvlvv fm/42 Stats / Compare 12 (33.33%) 156 0.33 0.42 517 33.33% vs. Server
2 Pz. II Stats / Compare 6 (50.00%) 160 0.33 0.83 n/a 819 66.67% vs. Server
2 Pz. II D Stats / Compare 6 (33.33%) 121 0.50 1.33 540 50.00% vs. Server
2 Pz.Jäg. I Stats / Compare 13 (23.08%) 256 1.69 0.54 1,024 38.46% vs. Server
2 Strv m/38 Stats / Compare 2 (50.00%) 228 1.00 1.00 1,384 100.00% vs. Server
2 T-26G FT Stats / Compare 10 (20.00%) 157 0.60 0.30 476 30.00% vs. Server
2 T-45 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 45 0.00 0.00 n/a 0 0.00% vs. Server
2 T1 HMC Stats / Compare 70 (28.57%) 104 0.64 0.30 n/a 409 44.29% vs. Server
2 T1E6 Stats / Compare 8 (37.50%) 98 0.50 0.75 353 37.50% vs. Server
2 T2 Medium Stats / Compare 136 (29.41%) 117 0.83 1.27 n/a 469 44.12% vs. Server
2 T3 HMC Stats / Compare 15 (40.00%) 113 0.80 0.80 436 60.00% vs. Server
2 T7 Car Stats / Compare 13 (15.38%) 139 0.92 1.54 779 46.15% vs. Server
2 TKS 20 Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 198 0.50 0.75 1,144 50.00% vs. Server
2 VAE Type B Stats / Compare 8 (25.00%) 232 1.50 0.88 1,198 37.50% vs. Server
1 4TP Stats / Compare 4 (0.00%) 125 0.75 1.50 665 50.00% vs. Server
1 Fiat 3000 Stats / Compare 1 (100.00%) 130 3.00 0.00 586 0.00% vs. Server
1 FT Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 7 0.00 0.00 n/a 261 100.00% vs. Server
1 K-housenka Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 51 0.00 0.00 n/a 32 0.00% vs. Server
1 L.Tr. Stats / Compare 8 (12.50%) 152 0.88 0.88 662 37.50% vs. Server
1 Medium I Stats / Compare 3 (0.00%) 32 0.33 1.00 n/a 225 66.67% vs. Server
1 MS-1 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 199 1.00 1.00 n/a 1,303 100.00% vs. Server
1 NC-31 Stats / Compare 7 (28.57%) 127 1.57 0.57 777 71.43% vs. Server
1 R. Otsu Stats / Compare 5 (40.00%) 180 0.60 0.60 1,220 80.00% vs. Server
1 Strv fm/21 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 130 1.00 3.00 n/a 672 0.00% vs. Server
1 T1 Stats / Compare 96 (26.04%) 102 0.67 1.17 511 52.08% vs. Server

Gold cost of prem vehicles: 0
USD Value: $0.00

Creadits spent on regular vhicles: 0
Credits to gold: 0

Total Gold: 0
Total USD: $0.00

1 gold = 400 credits | 250 gold =$1.00 USD
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