Players seanphelan [TER]    

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1,002

Players Tanks: 206 All Tanks   |   Recent Tanks
Tier Nation Tank Type Battles (Survived%) Damage Frags Spotted Mastery WN8 Win Other Players
10 AMX 13 105 Stats / Compare 201 (11.44%) 946 0.52 1.54 691 41.29% vs. Server
10 AMX 30 B Stats / Compare 179 (11.73%) 1,016 0.47 1.09 527 37.99% vs. Server
10 B-C 155 58 Stats / Compare 2 (100.00%) 923 0.50 0.00 757 100.00% vs. Server
10 E 100 Stats / Compare 1653 (24.62%) 1,225 0.63 1.06 791 44.59% vs. Server
10 E 50 M Stats / Compare 1458 (11.45%) 889 0.45 1.82 454 41.84% vs. Server
10 Grille 15 Stats / Compare 74 (36.49%) 1,158 0.55 0.23 598 47.30% vs. Server
10 IS-4 Stats / Compare 100 (19.00%) 1,062 0.51 0.78 625 43.00% vs. Server
10 Jg.Pz. E 100 Stats / Compare 455 (34.07%) 1,252 0.74 0.36 732 48.57% vs. Server
10 Leopard 1 Stats / Compare 315 (6.35%) 782 0.41 1.59 347 39.37% vs. Server
10 Obj. 261 Stats / Compare 645 (35.04%) 1,248 0.55 0.02 867 45.74% vs. Server
10 Progetto 65 Stats / Compare 78 (19.23%) 1,292 0.67 0.82 683 43.59% vs. Server
10 ST-II Stats / Compare 8 (0.00%) 347 0.13 1.00 n/a 497,407 25.00% vs. Server
10 T110E5 Stats / Compare 169 (20.71%) 1,126 0.52 0.77 631 39.05% vs. Server
10 T92 HMC Stats / Compare 21 (42.86%) 877 0.57 0.05 717 57.14% vs. Server
10 TVP T 50/51 Stats / Compare 28 (14.29%) 870 0.54 0.82 431 42.86% vs. Server
9 212A Stats / Compare 134 (36.57%) 1,215 0.84 0.01 1,119 55.97% vs. Server
9 AMX 13 90 Stats / Compare 342 (11.70%) 639 0.40 1.27 668 41.52% vs. Server
9 AMX 30 Stats / Compare 214 (11.21%) 709 0.38 1.39 423 44.86% vs. Server
9 Škoda T 50 Stats / Compare 77 (20.78%) 879 0.53 0.88 462 36.36% vs. Server
9 B-C 155 55 Stats / Compare 34 (32.35%) 878 0.38 0.00 664 47.06% vs. Server
9 E 50 Stats / Compare 1378 (16.33%) 829 0.45 1.68 548 43.40% vs. Server
9 E 75 Stats / Compare 1662 (24.37%) 983 0.57 1.12 750 45.79% vs. Server
9 IS-3-II Stats / Compare 37 (24.32%) 955 0.46 0.49 1,260,052 43.24% vs. Server
9 Jagdtiger Stats / Compare 15 (33.33%) 1,468 0.87 0.53 1,275 73.33% vs. Server
9 Leopard PT A Stats / Compare 167 (9.58%) 855 0.43 1.28 525 36.53% vs. Server
9 M103 Stats / Compare 257 (20.23%) 887 0.48 0.74 599 41.63% vs. Server
9 M53/M55 Stats / Compare 42 (23.81%) 913 0.50 0.00 560 30.95% vs. Server
9 Ru 251 Stats / Compare 754 (9.15%) 472 0.34 1.93 473 44.96% vs. Server
9 ST-I Stats / Compare 97 (20.62%) 730 0.44 0.51 379 39.18% vs. Server
9 Standard B Stats / Compare 40 (15.00%) 944 0.65 1.10 640 50.00% vs. Server
9 T30 Stats / Compare 59 (25.42%) +6 1,162 -10.63 0.81 0.34 +0.02 826 -23.57 49.15% -1.79% vs. Server
9 WT auf Pz. IV Stats / Compare 62 (33.87%) 1,043 0.52 0.37 652 45.16% vs. Server
8 AMBT Stats / Compare 6 (33.33%) 881 0.67 1.17 1,279,770 33.33% vs. Server
8 ELC EVEN 90 Stats / Compare 15 (13.33%) 729 0.53 1.47 1,238 66.67% vs. Server
8 Ferdinand Stats / Compare 64 (23.44%) 753 0.69 0.28 554 45.31% vs. Server
8 FV4202 Stats / Compare 1 (100.00%) 812 1.00 0.00 981 100.00% vs. Server
8 HWK 12 Stats / Compare 53 (5.66%) 367 0.17 1.62 463 58.49% vs. Server
8 HWK 30 Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 539 0.00 4.00 n/a 476 0.00% vs. Server
8 IS-2-II Stats / Compare 40 (25.00%) 741 0.65 0.45 1,497,174 45.00% vs. Server
8 IS-6 Stats / Compare 290 (29.31%) 938 0.83 0.72 938 50.34% vs. Server
8 ISU-152 Stats / Compare 117 (22.22%) 766 0.55 0.24 615 51.28% vs. Server
8 KV-4 Stats / Compare 33 (36.36%) 575 0.33 0.15 571 60.61% vs. Server
8 KV-5 Stats / Compare 1084 (29.34%) 948 0.79 0.74 974 46.22% vs. Server
8 Lorr. 155 51 Stats / Compare 12 (41.67%) 846 0.75 0.00 807 50.00% vs. Server
8 Lynx 6x6 Stats / Compare 41 (14.63%) 436 0.27 1.68 506 46.34% vs. Server
8 M40/M43 Stats / Compare 5 (80.00%) 855 1.20 0.00 897 80.00% vs. Server
8 M4A1 Rev. Stats / Compare 12 (25.00%) 887 0.33 0.25 n/a 710 41.67% vs. Server
8 P.44 Pantera Stats / Compare 111 (17.12%) 805 0.57 0.73 726 43.24% vs. Server
8 Panther II Stats / Compare 461 (15.62%) 559 0.47 2.43 516 44.25% vs. Server
8 Pz. 58 Mutz Stats / Compare 2 (50.00%) 965 0.50 0.00 1,154 100.00% vs. Server
8 Rhm.-B. WT Stats / Compare 35 (25.71%) 1,011 0.66 0.29 708 37.14% vs. Server
8 Skorpion G Stats / Compare 446 (22.87%) 781 0.60 0.43 589 43.50% vs. Server
8 SU-14-2 Stats / Compare 97 (36.08%) 1,125 0.75 0.02 1,198 48.45% vs. Server
8 T26E5 P Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 334 0.00 0.00 n/a 61 0.00% vs. Server
8 T28 Prot. Stats / Compare 119 (25.21%) 970 0.86 0.66 918 44.54% vs. Server
8 T32 Stats / Compare 170 (26.47%) 777 0.66 0.56 747 48.24% vs. Server
8 Tiger II Stats / Compare 187 (21.93%) 699 0.44 1.42 627 47.06% vs. Server
8 TVP VTU Stats / Compare 8 (12.50%) 799 0.50 0.38 869 50.00% vs. Server
8 Type 59 G Stats / Compare 20 (15.00%) 573 0.30 0.90 439 50.00% vs. Server
8 VK 100.01 P Stats / Compare 15 (40.00%) 874 0.47 0.33 834 60.00% vs. Server
8 WZ-120-1 FT Stats / Compare 621 (26.25%) 935 0.75 0.57 826 50.89% vs. Server
7 AMX 13 57F Stats / Compare 179 (10.61%) 529 0.62 2.38 901 43.58% vs. Server
7 AMX 13 75 Stats / Compare 303 (9.24%) 422 0.35 1.21 646 45.54% vs. Server
7 Aufkl.Panther Stats / Compare 677 (14.18%) 577 0.63 2.08 1,255 49.34% vs. Server
7 E 25 Stats / Compare 160 (27.50%) 693 0.94 1.00 865 47.50% vs. Server
7 Eagle 7 Stats / Compare 26 (34.62%) 703 0.69 0.46 813 57.69% vs. Server
7 EBR Hotch. Stats / Compare 11 (9.09%) 417 0.18 2.73 664 54.55% vs. Server
7 JPanther Stats / Compare 65 (33.85%) 789 0.98 0.69 1,079 55.38% vs. Server
7 KV-3 Stats / Compare 79 (21.52%) 579 0.59 0.59 516 41.77% vs. Server
7 Lorr. 155 50 Stats / Compare 29 (44.83%) 816 0.72 0.03 946 51.72% vs. Server
7 M12 Stats / Compare 8 (25.00%) 717 0.50 0.00 627 37.50% vs. Server
7 P.43 ter Stats / Compare 48 (20.83%) 595 0.67 1.10 743 47.92% vs. Server
7 Panther Stats / Compare 637 (18.37%) 451 0.45 1.77 497 46.15% vs. Server
7 Panther/M10 Stats / Compare 38 (21.05%) 538 0.61 0.89 631 44.74% vs. Server
7 S-51 Stats / Compare 189 (38.62%) 718 0.72 0.02 802 54.50% vs. Server
7 Setter Stats / Compare 21 (9.52%) 155 0.19 2.10 80 42.86% vs. Server
7 SP I C Stats / Compare 273 (13.19%) 440 0.36 1.63 612 46.89% vs. Server
7 St. Emil Stats / Compare 198 (33.84%) 693 0.62 0.18 782 48.99% vs. Server
7 Steyr WT Stats / Compare 26 (19.23%) 668 0.38 0.62 593 30.77% vs. Server
7 SU-152 Stats / Compare 19 (31.58%) 597 0.74 0.16 541 36.84% vs. Server
7 Super Hellcat Stats / Compare 111 (7.21%) 529 0.48 0.80 527 44.14% vs. Server
7 T-34/100 Stats / Compare 11 (9.09%) 277 0.36 0.73 190 45.45% vs. Server
7 T25/2 Stats / Compare 102 (32.35%) 736 0.74 0.53 954 51.96% vs. Server
7 T29 Stats / Compare 81 (25.93%) 726 0.81 0.78 786 50.62% vs. Server
7 Tiger I Stats / Compare 1795 (24.12%) 771 0.72 1.13 942 48.58% vs. Server
6 AC 4 Exp. Stats / Compare 13 (23.08%) 619 1.08 0.62 1,020 46.15% vs. Server
6 AMD 178B Stats / Compare 13 (15.38%) 388 0.62 1.77 1,135 69.23% vs. Server
6 AMX 12 t Stats / Compare 114 (12.28%) 377 0.39 1.32 899 51.75% vs. Server
6 AMX 13 F3 Stats / Compare 28 (32.14%) 690 0.89 0.11 927 42.86% vs. Server
6 ARL 44 Stats / Compare 35 (17.14%) 582 0.80 0.60 838 37.14% vs. Server
6 Škoda T 25 Stats / Compare 20 (15.00%) 546 1.00 0.45 854 30.00% vs. Server
6 Bret. Panther Stats / Compare 4 (0.00%) 767 1.00 1.25 1,191 25.00% vs. Server
6 Cromwell Stats / Compare 104 (11.54%) 497 0.61 1.36 765 41.35% vs. Server
6 Crusader Stats / Compare 39 (10.26%) 177 0.41 0.79 437 61.54% vs. Server
6 Dicker Max Stats / Compare 242 (19.42%) 446 0.63 0.58 613 45.45% vs. Server
6 Hellcat Stats / Compare 108 (28.70%) 518 0.66 0.63 822 56.48% vs. Server
6 HT No. VI Stats / Compare 132 (21.97%) 536 0.58 0.64 721 43.18% vs. Server
6 Hummel Stats / Compare 111 (36.04%) 752 0.72 0.06 1,050 44.14% vs. Server
6 Jg.Pz. IV Stats / Compare 49 (16.33%) 453 0.59 0.82 664 46.94% vs. Server
6 KV-2 Stats / Compare 1307 (35.42%) 752 1.06 0.48 1,336 54.09% vs. Server
6 M44 Stats / Compare 30 (36.67%) 733 1.00 0.03 1,194 50.00% vs. Server
6 M4A3E2 Stats / Compare 157 (23.57%) 495 0.65 0.65 773 45.22% vs. Server
6 Nashorn Stats / Compare 69 (20.29%) 513 0.65 0.41 734 47.83% vs. Server
6 O-I Stats / Compare 18 (22.22%) 534 0.67 0.56 647 33.33% vs. Server
6 P.43 bis Stats / Compare 34 (20.59%) 524 0.79 1.12 786 38.24% vs. Server
6 Pudel Stats / Compare 14 (21.43%) 514 0.50 0.71 678 42.86% vs. Server
6 Strv m/42-57 Stats / Compare 107 (22.43%) 576 0.62 0.91 819 39.25% vs. Server
6 SU-100Y Stats / Compare 855 (22.34%) 514 0.71 0.58 764 49.12% vs. Server
6 Super Chaffee Stats / Compare 7 (28.57%) 504 0.71 2.43 390,401 42.86% vs. Server
6 T-150 Stats / Compare 53 (18.87%) 580 0.58 0.83 875 47.17% vs. Server
6 T-34-85M Stats / Compare 173 (23.70%) 692 0.77 0.88 1,121 58.96% vs. Server
6 T-50-2 Stats / Compare 68 (8.82%) 348 0.49 2.16 790 51.47% vs. Server
6 Thunderbolt Stats / Compare 200 (34.50%) 597 0.82 0.55 1,101 57.50% vs. Server
6 Type 64 Stats / Compare 54 (5.56%) 424 0.37 2.07 900 53.70% vs. Server
6 VK 28.01 Stats / Compare 2278 (9.96%) 269 0.36 2.62 592 46.93% vs. Server
6 VK 28.01 105 Stats / Compare 31 (6.45%) 411 0.77 1.48 290,035 38.71% vs. Server
6 VK 36.01 H Stats / Compare 52 (21.15%) 463 0.71 2.25 778 55.77% vs. Server
5 AMX 13 AM Stats / Compare 12 (33.33%) 562 0.67 0.00 997 33.33% vs. Server
5 AMX ELC bis Stats / Compare 54 (16.67%) 221 0.26 1.33 518 46.30% vs. Server
5 Škoda T 24 Stats / Compare 8 (12.50%) 649 1.38 0.75 2,310 62.50% vs. Server
5 Chaffee Stats / Compare 79 (2.53%) 240 0.37 2.34 660 46.84% vs. Server
5 Churchill III Stats / Compare 91 (40.66%) 757 0.92 0.88 1,883 60.44% vs. Server
5 Covenanter Stats / Compare 7 (28.57%) 212 0.71 0.86 916 85.71% vs. Server
5 Grille Stats / Compare 19 (36.84%) 397 0.89 0.05 617 36.84% vs. Server
5 Ikv 103 Stats / Compare 46 (13.04%) 396 0.63 0.46 828 45.65% vs. Server
5 KV-1SA Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 470 2.00 2.00 956,621 100.00% vs. Server
5 Leopard Stats / Compare 684 (9.80%) 122 0.20 2.62 220 48.54% vs. Server
5 M10 RBFM Stats / Compare 50 (12.00%) 494 0.78 0.66 903 28.00% vs. Server
5 M41 HMC Stats / Compare 5 (0.00%) 570 0.40 0.20 n/a 669 0.00% vs. Server
5 M4A1 Stats / Compare 138 (23.91%) 377 0.77 0.72 838 49.28% vs. Server
5 Matilda BP Stats / Compare 33 (27.27%) 575 0.76 0.30 1,311 39.39% vs. Server
5 Matilda IV Stats / Compare 34 (14.71%) 402 0.88 0.68 853 38.24% vs. Server
5 P.43 Stats / Compare 12 (16.67%) 410 1.08 0.50 1,140 58.33% vs. Server
5 Pz. III/IV Stats / Compare 499 (6.21%) 134 0.23 2.70 140 44.09% vs. Server
5 Pz. IV H Stats / Compare 11 (9.09%) 365 0.36 0.36 658 36.36% vs. Server
5 Pz.Sfl. IVc Stats / Compare 48 (18.75%) 319 0.42 0.35 563 50.00% vs. Server
5 Ram II Stats / Compare 11 (18.18%) 270 0.64 1.09 482 27.27% vs. Server
5 StuG III G Stats / Compare 165 (31.52%) 427 0.85 0.42 945 53.94% vs. Server
5 StuG IV Stats / Compare 79 (16.46%) 273 0.35 0.57 602 59.49% vs. Server
5 T67 Stats / Compare 166 (22.89%) 444 0.83 0.75 936 56.63% vs. Server
5 Turán III PT Stats / Compare 277 (30.69%) +1 489 -1.38 0.75 0.57 1,156 -6.12 48.38% -0.18% vs. Server
5 Valiant Stats / Compare 2 (50.00%) 182 1.00 0.00 n/a 387,036 50.00% vs. Server
5 VK 30.01 H Stats / Compare 451 (5.32%) 189 0.28 2.95 129 41.91% vs. Server
4 AMX 40 Stats / Compare 73 (21.92%) 435 0.74 0.85 2,162 41.10% vs. Server
4 Hetzer Stats / Compare 814 (36.86%) +3 576 -1.38 1.39 0.51 1,866 -6.57 54.30% -0.08% vs. Server
4 Luchs Stats / Compare 378 (18.78%) 250 0.62 2.12 967 55.29% vs. Server
4 M3 Lee Stats / Compare 23 (26.09%) 278 0.65 0.13 1,032 73.91% vs. Server
4 M5 Stuart Stats / Compare 9 (22.22%) 248 0.78 2.33 1,293 66.67% vs. Server
4 M8A1 Stats / Compare 132 (27.27%) 591 1.14 0.83 1,816 53.03% vs. Server
4 Matilda Stats / Compare 110 (19.09%) 293 0.63 0.70 747 46.36% vs. Server
4 Matilda LVT Stats / Compare 22 (36.36%) 470 1.14 0.45 1,046,975 40.91% vs. Server
4 P26/40 Stats / Compare 262 (31.30%) +1 528 +1.95 1.38 1.04 2,122 +10.91 53.44% +0.18% vs. Server
4 Pz. B2 Stats / Compare 77 (31.17%) 377 1.03 0.90 830 42.86% vs. Server
4 Pz. III J Stats / Compare 273 (20.51%) 438 1.03 2.19 1,828 49.45% vs. Server
4 Pz. IV D Stats / Compare 483 (22.36%) 284 0.75 1.05 938 54.87% vs. Server
4 Pz.Sfl. IC Stats / Compare 94 (28.72%) +1 338 +3.08 0.67 0.53 -0.01 748,542 +8,319.40 44.68% +0.59% vs. Server
4 Pz.Sfl. IVb Stats / Compare 31 (35.48%) 427 0.61 0.10 1,299 48.39% vs. Server
4 Sav m/43 Stats / Compare 16 (18.75%) 366 1.13 0.50 1,059 31.25% vs. Server
4 StuG III B Stats / Compare 208 (36.06%) 559 1.36 0.58 1,837 55.77% vs. Server
4 Valentine II Stats / Compare 1273 (43.52%) +2 582 +0.45 1.37 1.14 2,364 +0.52 53.42% -0.08% vs. Server
3 BT-7 art. Stats / Compare 18 (16.67%) 362 1.00 0.56 1,827 44.44% vs. Server
3 Gr.Tr. Stats / Compare 265 (27.92%) 375 1.01 0.85 1,608 49.06% vs. Server
3 Ikv 72 Stats / Compare 13 (7.69%) 153 0.31 1.23 266 38.46% vs. Server
3 Locust Stats / Compare 40 (35.00%) 497 1.18 1.50 2,805 70.00% vs. Server
3 M2 Medium Stats / Compare 5 (60.00%) 153 1.20 1.00 719 80.00% vs. Server
3 M3 Light Stats / Compare 41 (26.83%) 284 0.88 1.59 1,593 56.10% vs. Server
3 M3 Stuart Stats / Compare 100 (18.00%) 257 0.67 2.16 1,218 45.00% vs. Server
3 Medium III Stats / Compare 8 (12.50%) 243 0.63 0.75 938 50.00% vs. Server
3 MTLS-1G14 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 194 1.00 2.00 n/a 673 0.00% vs. Server
3 Pz. I C Stats / Compare 114 (14.04%) 287 0.81 2.34 1,328 34.21% vs. Server
3 Pz. II G Stats / Compare 26 (19.23%) 118 0.38 1.65 287 38.46% vs. Server
3 Pz. III E Stats / Compare 2300 (14.52%) 195 0.81 2.05 862 52.74% vs. Server
3 Pz. IV A Stats / Compare 707 (19.09%) 213 0.93 1.13 867 52.62% vs. Server
3 Pz. S35 Stats / Compare 567 (43.21%) 509 1.50 0.97 2,172 57.85% vs. Server
3 Sahariano Stats / Compare 54 (37.04%) 576 1.35 0.87 878,761 51.85% vs. Server
3 T-116 Stats / Compare 31 (16.13%) 288 0.84 1.74 1,463 48.39% vs. Server
3 T-127 Stats / Compare 119 (34.45%) 404 1.30 1.13 1,841 63.03% vs. Server
3 T-29 Stats / Compare 37 (27.03%) 311 0.84 0.78 1,310 56.76% vs. Server
3 T3 Convert. Stats / Compare 22 (18.18%) 337 0.77 0.91 342,399 50.00% vs. Server
3 Toldi III Stats / Compare 28 (28.57%) 325 0.50 0.71 1,852 57.14% vs. Server
2 AMR 35 Stats / Compare 15 (20.00%) 267 0.87 1.00 1,548 46.67% vs. Server
2 Cruiser II Stats / Compare 139 (29.50%) 258 1.17 0.76 1,188 46.04% vs. Server
2 L-60 Stats / Compare 31 (12.90%) 180 0.39 1.42 917 35.48% vs. Server
2 Light VIC Stats / Compare 38 (23.68%) 74 0.55 0.71 406 63.16% vs. Server
2 M2 Light Stats / Compare 143 (27.97%) 308 1.20 1.88 1,744 55.24% vs. Server
2 Medium II Stats / Compare 4 (0.00%) 115 1.25 0.50 n/a 373 25.00% vs. Server
2 MKA Stats / Compare 39 (35.90%) 362 1.36 1.15 2,033 61.54% vs. Server
2 Pvlvv fm/42 Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 20 0.00 1.50 261 100.00% vs. Server
2 Pz. 35 R Stats / Compare 7 (42.86%) 273 1.00 0.86 606,243 42.86% vs. Server
2 Pz. II Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 202 0.25 0.25 n/a 805 25.00% vs. Server
2 Pz. II D Stats / Compare 99 (26.26%) 112 0.69 1.17 576 56.57% vs. Server
2 Pz.Jäg. I Stats / Compare 1268 (31.07%) 226 1.38 1.34 1,002 53.55% vs. Server
2 T-45 Stats / Compare 17 (29.41%) 475 1.59 0.82 3,492 64.71% vs. Server
2 T1E6 Stats / Compare 26 (23.08%) 169 0.58 1.19 919 50.00% vs. Server
2 T2 Light Stats / Compare 73 (27.40%) 352 1.34 1.59 2,287 53.42% vs. Server
2 T3 HMC Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 39 0.00 0.00 n/a 86 50.00% vs. Server
2 T7 Car Stats / Compare 67 (5.97%) 70 0.46 1.37 260 49.25% vs. Server
2 Te-Ke Stats / Compare 3 (66.67%) 431 2.00 1.33 3,643 66.67% vs. Server
2 TKS 20 Stats / Compare 9 (22.22%) 322 0.44 1.22 1,946 44.44% vs. Server
1 Cruiser I Stats / Compare 98 (31.63%) 185 1.10 1.12 931 54.08% vs. Server
1 Fiat 3000 Stats / Compare 52 (40.38%) 413 1.40 1.08 2,873 53.85% vs. Server
1 L.Tr. Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 331 0.50 1.00 n/a 1,770 50.00% vs. Server
1 Medium I Stats / Compare 3 (66.67%) 222 3.00 0.00 1,490 66.67% vs. Server
1 NC-31 Stats / Compare 505 (30.10%) 145 1.08 1.11 770 48.12% vs. Server
1 Strv fm/21 Stats / Compare 147 (27.21%) 132 0.82 0.85 762 53.06% vs. Server
1 T1 Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 0 0.00 0.50 n/a 261 100.00% vs. Server

Gold cost of prem vehicles: 0
USD Value: $0.00

Creadits spent on regular vhicles: 0
Credits to gold: 0

Total Gold: 0
Total USD: $0.00

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