Players BluntedBaboon    
1,830
1,830

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Updated: March 20, 2025 Update
Battles 25,725 25,725 70
WN8
1,830
1,830
3,080
Win Rate 55.47% 55.47% 52.86%
WG Rating 7,702
Forum Signature Account Created: February 27, 2013 @ 3:50 pm   |   Last Battle: March 19, 2025 @ 5:12 am
 Nick History:
 BluntedBaboon 
 1004190111 
  

Graphs



  
Tier Damage Winrate Battles
10 2,209.02 53.52% 1,235 666310054205
9 1,690.40 56.36% 3,430 1,413976370234437
8 1,369.75 55.99% 7,748 4,0512,56252617466
7 1,111.03 54.16% 4,572 1,3361,0331185571,528
6 822.86 54.13% 2,799 877795143630354
5 642.29 57.33% 2,871 1,192840387293159
4 431.00 57.43% 1,177 52360315294156
3 284.84 53.36% 1,162 017080682104
2 249.66 55.71% 657 0445642920
1 185.66 51.35% 74 0274700
Stats Total Avg
Tanks 310
Battles: 25,725
Survival: 7,973 30.99%
XP: 18,869,443 733.51
Total Damage: 29,381,860 1,142.15
Total Frags: 28,799 1.12
Total Shots: 349,016 13.57
Damage Received: 23,553,326 915.58
Capture Points: 30,676 1.19
Defence Points: 16,671 0.65

Players Tanks: 310 All Tanks   |   Recent Tanks
10
19 (47.37%)
1,028
0.79
0.00
792
52.63%
10
333 (41.44%)
2,575
1.29
1.12
2,587
57.96%
10
107 (22.43%)
2,063
1.11
1.38
1,876
47.66%
10
16 (43.75%)
1,841
0.88
0.50
1,414
75.00%
10
186 (41.94%)
1,745
0.92
0.02
1,594
52.69%
10
22 (22.73%)
2,110
0.95
1.32
1,931
63.64%
10
38 (39.47%)
3,157
1.61
1.34
3,048
44.74%
10
22 (27.27%)
1,781
1.09
1.45
1,420
40.91%
10
108 (27.78%)
1,990
1.13
1.46
1,852
52.78%
10
6 (16.67%)
1,264
0.50
1.50
741
50.00%
10
45 (15.56%)
1,989
0.76
1.04
1,376
40.00%
10
67 (29.85%)
2,089
1.36
1.54
2,109
61.19%
10
53 (30.19%)
2,192
1.02
1.62
2,014
54.72%
10
213 (33.80%)
2,359
1.19
1.17
2,072
51.17%
9
3 (33.33%)
1,987
2.67
2.00
2,305
100.00%
9
202 (44.55%)
1,295
0.79
0.02
1,316
55.45%
9
194 (28.35%)
2,121
1.15
1.18
2,201
54.12%
9
340 (31.18%)
1,698
1.13
1.31
1,893
56.18%
9
258 (35.66%)
1,959
1.12
1.23
2,229
53.10%
9
36 (38.89%)
+7
1,167
+65.57
0.53
-0.13
0.03
-0.01
963
+26.20
41.67%
+0.29%
9
199 (47.74%)
1,483
0.98
0.03
1,611
57.29%
9
124 (46.77%)
2,265
1.46
1.02
2,512
62.10%
9
232 (28.88%)
1,642
0.95
1.22
1,712
56.90%
9
194 (29.38%)
1,658
0.93
1.36
1,777
56.70%
9
109 (43.12%)
2,270
1.13
0.96
2,406
61.47%
9
124 (31.45%)
1,902
1.12
1.30
2,052
62.10%
9
282 (21.99%)
1,008
0.87
2.82
1,679
53.55%
9
1 (0.00%)
641
0.00
3.00
n/a
500
100.00%
9
309 (28.80%)
1,806
1.04
1.54
2,020
55.34%
9
403 (27.54%)
1,698
1.11
1.89
2,090
60.05%
9
88 (11.36%)
1,017
0.77
3.33
1,507
47.73%
9
110 (40.91%)
2,270
1.39
0.81
2,438
61.82%
9
222 (25.23%)
1,647
0.95
1.71
1,661
53.15%
8
113 (24.78%)
1,210
0.87
1.02
1,468
44.25%
8
78 (24.36%)
1,301
0.73
0.99
1,421
52.56%
8
80 (27.50%)
1,505
1.20
1.04
1,914
58.75%
8
55 (27.27%)
1,041
0.45
0.62
1,097
49.09%
8
72 (40.28%)
1,489
1.11
0.49
1,855
68.06%
8
95 (20.00%)
1,154
0.61
1.05
1,235
49.47%
8
75 (17.33%)
1,142
0.64
1.39
1,163
40.00%
8
187 (21.93%)
1,253
0.80
1.60
1,755
54.01%
8
162 (30.25%)
1,605
1.20
0.86
2,136
61.11%
8
262 (25.19%)
1,125
0.87
1.22
1,579
58.02%
8
7 (42.86%)
1,129
0.57
0.29
1,122
71.43%
8
15 (20.00%)
647
0.53
0.73
366
33.33%
8
19 (31.58%)
913
0.53
0.00
832
42.11%
8
254 (38.19%)
1,227
0.87
0.03
1,635
51.18%
8
93 (39.78%)
1,811
1.53
1.16
2,685
58.06%
8
254 (29.13%)
1,360
0.93
1.31
1,708
61.81%
8
111 (33.33%)
1,452
1.04
1.48
1,779
59.46%
8
140 (32.86%)
1,552
1.16
1.32
2,145
52.14%
8
77 (33.77%)
1,279
1.10
0.87
1,649
50.65%
8
139 (25.90%)
1,416
1.17
0.79
1,644
53.24%
8
358 (31.28%)
1,564
0.94
1.17
2,102
60.61%
8
193 (46.11%)
1,184
0.97
0.04
1,550
58.55%
8
7 (0.00%)
1,247
0.86
1.43
1,437
71.43%
8
45 (15.56%)
906
0.84
3.38
1,984
51.11%
8
7 (0.00%)
626
0.14
1.57
673
28.57%
8
5 (60.00%)
1,163
1.20
1.60
1,717
60.00%
8
88 (25.00%)
1,422
0.93
0.77
1,782
55.68%
8
43 (4.65%)
+1
906
-16.45
0.49
-0.01
1.05
+0.05
775
-23.78
34.88%
-0.83%
8
786 (31.30%)
1,424
1.11
1.25
2,300
57.63%
8
155 (32.26%)
1,252
1.08
1.11
1,807
47.74%
8
2 (100.00%)
2,863
1.50
0.50
4,403
100.00%
8
2 (0.00%)
+1
598
0.50
0.50
872,329
50.00%
8
293 (33.11%)
1,336
1.19
1.26
2,121
60.07%
8
110 (20.91%)
1,191
0.84
1.25
1,586
49.09%
8
152 (34.87%)
1,421
1.04
0.92
1,888
63.16%
8
332 (25.60%)
1,259
1.11
1.90
2,120
56.63%
8
344 (28.20%)
1,379
1.05
1.97
2,033
57.85%
8
4 (0.00%)
1,602
2.00
1.25
2,404
50.00%
8
311 (26.37%)
1,333
0.88
1.62
1,727
58.52%
8
168 (29.76%)
1,346
1.18
1.27
1,813
56.55%
8
1385 (30.40%)
1,397
0.92
0.95
1,857
54.66%
8
494 (34.21%)
1,577
1.13
1.11
2,279
56.07%
8
36 (25.00%)
796
0.42
1.64
1,011
61.11%
8
11 (45.45%)
1,636
0.45
0.91
2,614,148
100.00%
8
71 (32.39%)
1,611
1.17
0.89
2,068
52.11%
8
58 (29.31%)
1,485
1.10
1.93
1,951
53.45%
7
67 (29.85%)
1,053
1.04
1.46
1,567
52.24%
7
64 (29.69%)
842
0.75
0.34
1,122
54.69%
7
75 (28.00%)
1,245
1.08
1.27
2,150
60.00%
7
45 (46.67%)
1,157
1.38
0.53
1,763
68.89%
7
62 (11.29%)
679
0.53
2.44
1,438
43.55%
7
55 (36.36%)
1,128
1.05
0.96
1,825
61.82%
7
10 (40.00%)
794
0.70
1.30
1,356,604
70.00%
7
79 (31.65%)
1,064
1.06
1.00
2,027
59.49%
7
87 (19.54%)
918
1.07
2.16
1,766
55.17%
7
100 (52.00%)
778
0.87
0.02
1,071
53.00%
7
44 (20.45%)
1,076
0.95
1.14
1,376,808
43.18%
7
53 (32.08%)
1,149
1.40
1.53
1,817
56.60%
7
1210 (40.17%)
1,122
1.06
0.04
1,579
51.98%
7
120 (30.83%)
1,366
1.33
1.28
2,332
58.33%
7
80 (23.75%)
1,301
1.09
1.39
1,893
51.25%
7
122 (29.51%)
1,084
1.11
0.80
1,697
54.10%
7
16 (50.00%)
1,460
1.13
1.19
2,482,302
62.50%
7
77 (22.08%)
667
0.81
1.09
1,088
53.25%
7
31 (38.71%)
1,462
1.13
0.87
2,259
67.74%
7
64 (20.31%)
921
0.81
1.70
1,412
45.31%
7
147 (34.01%)
929
0.74
0.03
987
40.14%
7
49 (34.69%)
+1
1,352
-4.30
1.06
-0.02
1.57
+0.01
2,073,402
-18,714.62
59.18%
+0.85%
7
71 (32.39%)
780
0.73
0.07
874
42.25%
7
81 (28.40%)
1,261
1.17
1.60
1,927
62.96%
7
73 (27.40%)
940
1.00
1.84
1,672
63.01%
7
179 (31.84%)
1,232
1.45
1.61
2,696
55.31%
7
56 (17.86%)
820
0.68
1.96
1,633
58.93%
7
64 (34.38%)
797
0.81
0.28
1,089
56.25%
7
35 (48.57%)
1,219
1.54
0.77
2,052
65.71%
7
68 (29.41%)
990
0.96
0.56
1,535
60.29%
7
66 (22.73%)
1,005
1.27
1.74
1,879
56.06%
7
59 (28.81%)
885
0.93
0.63
1,087
40.68%
7
77 (23.38%)
1,083
0.86
1.55
1,895
53.25%
7
138 (29.71%)
938
1.12
1.67
1,816
54.35%
7
44 (34.09%)
1,341
1.36
1.48
2,527
61.36%
7
105 (29.52%)
1,085
1.45
1.81
2,170
54.29%
7
46 (28.26%)
1,014
1.37
0.57
1,454
43.48%
7
1 (0.00%)
1,339
0.00
1.00
n/a
1,647
100.00%
7
84 (25.00%)
1,432
1.19
1.63
2,120
55.95%
7
92 (34.78%)
1,221
0.99
1.17
1,927
57.61%
7
576 (34.20%)
1,336
1.35
1.14
2,258
57.12%
6
46 (19.57%)
638
0.96
1.22
1,182
43.48%
6
30 (10.00%)
572
0.70
3.33
1,726
53.33%
6
46 (23.91%)
804
1.02
1.26
1,605
54.35%
6
16 (43.75%)
683
1.56
2.06
2,351
62.50%
6
74 (44.59%)
720
0.92
0.05
1,110
54.05%
6
91 (20.88%)
908
1.05
1.19
1,923
48.35%
6
35 (25.71%)
860
0.86
0.37
1,634
57.14%
6
89 (12.36%)
726
0.67
1.58
1,386
49.44%
6
15 (26.67%)
747
0.87
0.80
1,319,503
46.67%
6
10 (10.00%)
482
0.40
0.70
1,261,426
30.00%
6
58 (25.86%)
888
1.29
1.07
2,211
58.62%
6
60 (20.00%)
462
0.50
0.37
620
40.00%
6
35 (34.29%)
943
0.94
0.91
1,998
71.43%
6
72 (22.22%)
844
1.47
2.21
2,257
59.72%
6
25 (32.00%)
687
1.20
2.24
1,504
76.00%
6
39 (12.82%)
494
1.36
1.92
1,743
41.03%
6
130 (35.38%)
1,008
1.42
0.66
2,268
59.23%
6
86 (33.72%)
592
0.83
0.19
969
44.19%
6
43 (27.91%)
682
0.74
1.35
1,285
65.12%
6
78 (26.92%)
958
1.19
1.42
2,095
57.69%
6
106 (48.11%)
707
1.02
0.09
1,139
52.83%
6
46 (26.09%)
536
0.72
0.61
967
58.70%
6
14 (35.71%)
1,432
2.36
0.43
3,069
42.86%
6
60 (18.33%)
891
1.17
0.87
1,837
45.00%
6
40 (27.50%)
663
0.93
0.35
3,498,301
47.50%
6
9 (33.33%)
1,105
1.11
2.11
1,761,912
33.33%
6
58 (27.59%)
943
1.02
0.86
1,839
62.07%
6
173 (28.32%)
975
1.16
1.17
1,956
57.80%
6
88 (40.91%)
582
0.72
0.01
876
52.27%
6
105 (34.29%)
774
1.12
1.46
1,819
55.24%
6
28 (25.00%)
516
0.61
0.57
721
46.43%
6
96 (26.04%)
865
0.98
1.08
1,537
55.21%
6
54 (27.78%)
912
1.30
1.30
2,189
64.81%
6
12 (8.33%)
1,026
1.08
1.17
1,448,096
50.00%
6
17 (23.53%)
961
1.12
2.24
2,148
76.47%
6
76 (22.37%)
879
1.29
1.53
1,971
57.89%
6
97 (31.96%)
837
1.08
0.92
1,637
52.58%
6
15 (40.00%)
1,074
1.20
1.47
2,272
60.00%
6
10 (30.00%)
993
1.30
1.80
2,111
60.00%
6
3 (33.33%)
574
0.67
3.67
1,790
100.00%
6
116 (18.97%)
757
0.97
1.48
1,711
55.17%
6
55 (16.36%)
362
0.60
2.00
904
41.82%
6
33 (33.33%)
891
0.85
1.55
1,883
60.61%
6
112 (27.68%)
812
1.24
1.60
1,905
46.43%
6
277 (39.71%)
1,091
1.68
1.31
2,807
55.23%
6
21 (19.05%)
946
1.29
0.71
2,056
66.67%
5
46 (13.04%)
429
0.85
1.78
1,231
56.52%
5
25 (76.00%)
799
1.40
0.08
2,251
72.00%
5
23 (13.04%)
257
0.48
2.65
761
47.83%
5
24 (58.33%)
787
1.96
0.92
2,587
79.17%
5
36 (19.44%)
559
1.11
1.22
1,775
50.00%
5
44 (31.82%)
873
1.27
1.07
2,256
61.36%
5
40 (37.50%)
593
1.20
0.08
1,521
55.00%
5
8 (12.50%)
467
0.88
3.75
2,071
87.50%
5
39 (15.38%)
410
0.62
1.51
1,197
61.54%
5
50 (30.00%)
866
1.36
1.30
2,480
58.00%
5
217 (27.65%)
727
1.27
1.30
1,944
59.91%
5
230 (31.74%)
549
1.72
2.33
3,524
65.22%
5
7 (14.29%)
691
1.14
1.86
994,137
42.86%
5
55 (52.73%)
465
0.93
0.07
1,081
58.18%
5
32 (18.75%)
338
0.47
0.19
1,243,229
34.38%
5
97 (40.21%)
897
1.84
1.37
2,795
53.61%
5
107 (17.76%)
271
0.74
1.88
972
54.21%
5
1 (100.00%)
1,622
6.00
1.00
6,773
100.00%
5
39 (41.03%)
594
1.05
0.05
920
46.15%
5
187 (33.16%)
612
1.41
1.18
1,920
47.06%
5
17 (29.41%)
805
1.82
0.88
2,636
41.18%
5
49 (28.57%)
859
1.29
1.96
1,972
67.35%
5
34 (23.53%)
523
0.71
1.21
1,479
50.00%
5
2 (50.00%)
297
2.00
0.50
650
50.00%
5
32 (12.50%)
549
1.31
2.09
2,057
59.38%
5
4 (0.00%)
478
1.00
1.50
781,318
25.00%
5
219 (24.20%)
691
1.75
1.73
2,551
57.08%
5
23 (26.09%)
682
1.48
1.87
2,181
43.48%
5
54 (24.07%)
576
1.09
0.44
1,494
59.26%
5
33 (48.48%)
753
1.76
1.70
3,040
66.67%
5
6 (50.00%)
839
2.00
0.67
2,619
66.67%
5
21 (33.33%)
480
0.52
0.24
1,286,871
42.86%
5
4 (0.00%)
338
0.00
1.50
n/a
677
50.00%
5
31 (32.26%)
560
0.97
0.45
1,290
45.16%
5
45 (24.44%)
515
0.98
0.62
1,388
48.89%
5
57 (28.07%)
542
1.18
0.49
1,325
47.37%
5
19 (15.79%)
447
0.89
2.26
1,377
52.63%
5
12 (8.33%)
603
0.67
1.83
1,558
50.00%
5
19 (26.32%)
391
1.37
2.74
1,786
57.89%
5
35 (40.00%)
723
1.77
1.46
2,047
57.14%
5
700 (36.71%)
714
1.60
1.81
2,112
60.71%
5
14 (35.71%)
798
1.57
2.00
2,332
57.14%
5
90 (25.56%)
633
1.31
1.71
2,267
60.00%
5
36 (36.11%)
731
1.44
1.19
1,974
55.56%
5
8 (0.00%)
772
1.13
1.00
1,983
37.50%
4
32 (25.00%)
355
1.06
1.44
1,855
59.38%
4
9 (22.22%)
508
2.11
0.56
1,783
66.67%
4
42 (45.24%)
405
0.88
0.07
1,437
47.62%
4
2 (0.00%)
635
2.50
1.50
3,234
50.00%
4
15 (33.33%)
266
0.73
0.20
892
40.00%
4
2 (0.00%)
433
1.50
3.00
2,932
0.00%
4
26 (23.08%)
602
1.31
1.38
2,685
53.85%
4
25 (20.00%)
287
1.04
1.44
1,211
52.00%
4
22 (31.82%)
592
1.82
0.86
2,612
59.09%
4
13 (15.38%)
388
1.00
0.62
1,300
38.46%
4
173 (35.84%)
531
1.66
0.63
1,964
57.23%
4
192 (23.96%)
368
0.90
2.98
1,665
59.90%
4
110 (26.36%)
354
1.21
0.85
1,604
54.55%
4
17 (64.71%)
517
1.59
0.06
2,334
64.71%
4
14 (28.57%)
274
0.86
4.07
1,503
71.43%
4
17 (11.76%)
275
1.12
3.53
1,077
41.18%
4
14 (35.71%)
496
1.64
2.36
1,975
64.29%
4
15 (46.67%)
733
2.27
1.27
2,822
53.33%
4
132 (46.21%)
578
1.70
0.94
2,613
68.94%
4
11 (36.36%)
720
2.00
2.09
3,466
63.64%
4
33 (30.30%)
267
0.94
1.33
1,132
60.61%
4
6 (66.67%)
541
1.83
2.00
1,893
66.67%
4
33 (27.27%)
291
1.03
1.06
1,243
66.67%
4
1 (100.00%)
504
0.00
0.00
932,160
100.00%
4
55 (45.45%)
424
1.36
0.04
1,493
58.18%
4
23 (17.39%)
272
1.00
0.13
618
43.48%
4
12 (41.67%)
358
0.83
2.25
1,518
75.00%
4
6 (66.67%)
265
1.67
0.00
914
66.67%
4
21 (33.33%)
239
0.48
0.10
437
47.62%
4
22 (36.36%)
387
1.95
0.77
1,638
50.00%
4
24 (16.67%)
505
1.42
1.54
1,455
41.67%
4
23 (26.09%)
426
1.22
0.70
1,564
47.83%
4
13 (7.69%)
349
1.00
0.69
775
38.46%
4
22 (27.27%)
396
0.73
1.05
1,495
59.09%
3
9 (33.33%)
244
1.22
2.67
1,308
66.67%
3
13 (30.77%)
128
0.38
0.23
373
38.46%
3
26 (30.77%)
239
1.27
0.27
809
42.31%
3
9 (33.33%)
351
1.78
1.78
1,841
66.67%
3
75 (26.67%)
289
1.91
1.99
2,070
68.00%
3
2 (50.00%)
141
1.00
1.00
466
50.00%
3
3 (0.00%)
147
1.00
1.33
449
33.33%
3
10 (30.00%)
119
0.40
0.10
251
50.00%
3
1 (0.00%)
492
1.00
5.00
2,594
0.00%
3
5 (40.00%)
530
2.20
1.20
2,573
40.00%
3
150 (24.67%)
277
1.25
1.45
1,399
56.67%
3
69 (26.09%)
144
0.52
1.74
565
49.28%
3
20 (30.00%)
274
1.10
0.05
597
40.00%
3
50 (18.00%)
288
1.04
0.62
887
46.00%
3
13 (23.08%)
326
1.00
0.62
1,429
53.85%
3
16 (25.00%)
300
1.31
1.31
1,486
62.50%
3
340 (22.94%)
283
1.34
2.84
1,704
50.88%
3
4 (0.00%)
187
0.75
1.50
722
0.00%
3
3 (33.33%)
661
1.33
1.00
2,848
66.67%
3
179 (21.79%)
364
1.37
2.32
2,106
60.89%
3
1 (0.00%)
182
0.00
4.00
n/a
571
0.00%
3
11 (27.27%)
161
0.64
2.00
564
54.55%
3
7 (28.57%)
229
0.71
1.29
844
28.57%
3
30 (16.67%)
328
1.20
1.90
1,907
53.33%
3
26 (19.23%)
240
1.12
1.08
831
53.85%
3
8 (25.00%)
125
0.75
2.00
759
75.00%
3
6 (33.33%)
270
1.17
0.67
976
50.00%
3
28 (25.00%)
309
0.46
0.71
1,128
42.86%
3
48 (33.33%)
323
1.04
0.04
1,169
45.83%
2
2 (0.00%)
353
2.00
1.50
2,269
50.00%
2
1 (100.00%)
216
2.00
0.00
1,032
100.00%
2
4 (0.00%)
133
0.75
0.75
592
50.00%
2
2 (50.00%)
117
1.00
1.00
527
50.00%
2
19 (52.63%)
196
1.00
0.16
1,276
63.16%
2
1 (100.00%)
99
0.00
0.00
n/a
641
100.00%
2
2 (50.00%)
125
0.50
1.00
507
50.00%
2
2 (0.00%)
180
0.50
3.00
845
50.00%
2
6 (16.67%)
208
1.17
2.00
1,492
50.00%
2
2 (50.00%)
237
1.00
2.00
1,563
100.00%
2
8 (0.00%)
108
0.75
1.38
469
12.50%
2
12 (41.67%)
98
0.33
0.75
372
58.33%
2
29 (13.79%)
99
0.52
0.38
255
31.03%
2
1 (0.00%)
56
0.00
0.00
n/a
1
0.00%
2
27 (37.04%)
234
1.63
0.96
1,473
59.26%
2
3 (33.33%)
109
1.33
0.67
640
66.67%
2
449 (35.86%)
293
1.69
2.04
2,118
59.47%
2
10 (40.00%)
165
1.00
1.40
849
40.00%
2
27 (14.81%)
131
0.63
0.41
396
51.85%
2
5 (0.00%)
157
1.00
1.00
695
40.00%
2
1 (0.00%)
366
4.00
1.00
2,741
0.00%
2
15 (33.33%)
200
1.27
1.80
1,232
60.00%
2
6 (0.00%)
111
0.67
2.17
484
33.33%
2
9 (11.11%)
197
1.22
2.00
1,028
44.44%
2
14 (14.29%)
81
0.36
0.29
142
28.57%
1
1 (100.00%)
296
3.00
2.00
2,902
100.00%
1
2 (0.00%)
179
1.00
1.50
1,040
50.00%
1
2 (100.00%)
243
2.00
1.00
2,014
100.00%
1
1 (0.00%)
0
0.00
0.00
n/a
0
0.00%
1
22 (27.27%)
123
1.05
1.41
609
50.00%
1
27 (48.15%)
196
1.81
0.59
1,322
55.56%
1
8 (0.00%)
211
1.25
1.50
1,213
37.50%
1
2 (50.00%)
389
4.00
1.00
3,139
50.00%
1
2 (0.00%)
112
1.50
2.50
644
50.00%
1
2 (0.00%)
350
2.00
2.00
2,854
0.00%
1
5 (40.00%)
241
2.60
2.20
2,101
60.00%
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