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1,513

Players Tanks: 201 All Tanks   |   Recent Tanks
Tier Nation Tank Type Battles (Survived%) Damage Frags Spotted Mastery WN8 Win Other Players
10 Grille 15 Stats / Compare 237 (36.71%) 2,286 0.98 0.34 1,521 48.52% vs. Server
10 IS-7 Stats / Compare 107 (42.99%) 2,335 1.11 1.06 2,237 56.07% vs. Server
10 Jg.Pz. E 100 Stats / Compare 18 (33.33%) 2,067 0.67 0.11 1,416 61.11% vs. Server
10 Leopard 1 Stats / Compare 123 (34.96%) 2,224 0.99 1.04 1,836 50.41% vs. Server
10 Obj. 268/4 Stats / Compare 28 (25.00%) 2,318 0.75 1.39 1,512 50.00% vs. Server
10 Obj. 430U Stats / Compare 275 (28.36%) 2,489 1.11 1.30 2,000 51.27% vs. Server
10 Obj. 705A Stats / Compare 130 (33.08%) 2,528 0.97 1.20 2,053 49.23% vs. Server
10 T110E3 Stats / Compare 29 (24.14%) +2 2,364 +24.83 0.86 +0.01 0.93 -0.07 1,654 +62.52 48.28% +3.83% vs. Server
10 T110E4 Stats / Compare 13 (46.15%) 2,185 0.77 0.23 1,506 69.23% vs. Server
9 Emil II Stats / Compare 61 (34.43%) 1,749 1.03 0.92 1,545 42.62% vs. Server
9 Jagdtiger Stats / Compare 61 (50.82%) 2,078 1.11 0.69 1,965 65.57% vs. Server
9 Leopard PT A Stats / Compare 91 (38.46%) 2,330 1.29 0.88 2,409 50.55% vs. Server
9 Obj. 257 Stats / Compare 64 (35.94%) 1,982 0.98 1.25 2,031 65.63% vs. Server
9 Obj. 263 Stats / Compare 41 (21.95%) 1,761 0.54 1.22 1,343 51.22% vs. Server
9 Obj. 430 Stats / Compare 82 (30.49%) 1,776 0.88 1.02 1,507 60.98% vs. Server
9 Obj. 705 Stats / Compare 37 (40.54%) 2,546 1.19 1.43 2,985 64.86% vs. Server
9 Patton Tank Stats / Compare 4 (0.00%) 1,595 0.50 0.25 n/a 2,920,089 25.00% vs. Server
9 Standard B Stats / Compare 84 (20.24%) 1,811 1.00 0.73 1,541 51.19% vs. Server
9 T30 Stats / Compare 115 (22.61%) 1,959 0.97 0.60 1,742 55.65% vs. Server
9 T95 Stats / Compare 36 (47.22%) 2,006 0.94 0.33 1,618 61.11% vs. Server
9 UDES 16 Stats / Compare 36 (25.00%) +3 1,751 +82.51 0.50 +0.05 1.03 +0.06 1,335 +99.54 36.11% -0.25% vs. Server
9 WT auf Pz. IV Stats / Compare 135 (29.63%) 1,959 1.14 0.46 1,723 51.85% vs. Server
8 50TP pr. Stats / Compare 3 (0.00%) 153 0.00 0.00 n/a 0 33.33% vs. Server
8 703 II (122) Stats / Compare 23 (26.09%) 1,250 0.87 0.74 1,303 65.22% vs. Server
8 Alpine Tiger Stats / Compare 15 (33.33%) 1,320 0.93 1.60 1,571 46.67% vs. Server
8 AMX M4 49 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 1,045 2.00 0.00 n/a 903 0.00% vs. Server
8 Škoda T 27 Stats / Compare 17 (5.88%) 697 0.47 1.47 509 35.29% vs. Server
8 B-C 12 t Stats / Compare 56 (30.36%) 713 0.63 2.82 1,231 46.43% vs. Server
8 EBR 75 FL 10 Stats / Compare 12 (16.67%) 902 0.25 4.67 1,326 66.67% vs. Server
8 ELC EVEN 90 Stats / Compare 63 (34.92%) 638 0.56 3.08 1,016 46.03% vs. Server
8 Emil I Stats / Compare 116 (25.00%) 1,736 1.10 0.89 2,063 50.00% vs. Server
8 FV4202 Stats / Compare 34 (23.53%) 1,064 0.85 1.38 1,407 44.12% vs. Server
8 GSOR 1008 Stats / Compare 30 (36.67%) 1,861 1.27 0.83 5,217,052 60.00% vs. Server
8 IS-M Stats / Compare 34 (32.35%) 1,550 1.03 0.68 1,884 50.00% vs. Server
8 JPanther II Stats / Compare 11 (18.18%) 675 0.18 0.18 341 18.18% vs. Server
8 Lansen C Stats / Compare 26 (30.77%) 1,341 1.12 1.04 1,587 61.54% vs. Server
8 Löwe Stats / Compare 42 (33.33%) 1,746 0.83 0.90 2,126 54.76% vs. Server
8 Lorr. 40 t Stats / Compare 22 (13.64%) 1,088 0.45 1.32 979 50.00% vs. Server
8 M40/M43 Stats / Compare 11 (27.27%) 591 0.27 0.00 306 36.36% vs. Server
8 M41D Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 502 0.00 2.00 n/a 458 0.00% vs. Server
8 M4A1 Rev. Stats / Compare 9 (33.33%) 1,121 0.44 0.44 1,066 44.44% vs. Server
8 M6A2E1 Stats / Compare 11 (18.18%) 1,468 0.91 1.18 1,763 45.45% vs. Server
8 Mauerbrecher Stats / Compare 10 (30.00%) 854 0.40 0.80 776 50.00% vs. Server
8 Obj. 274a Stats / Compare 7 (28.57%) 999 0.29 0.86 1,169,679 42.86% vs. Server
8 P.44 Pantera Stats / Compare 53 (22.64%) 1,309 0.92 0.96 1,628 56.60% vs. Server
8 Progetto 46 Stats / Compare 15 (26.67%) 1,581 1.00 1.27 1,664 46.67% vs. Server
8 Rhm.-B. WT Stats / Compare 151 (31.13%) 1,687 1.20 0.31 1,756 54.30% vs. Server
8 Senlac Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 0 0.00 4.00 n/a 261 100.00% vs. Server
8 Skorpion G Stats / Compare 546 (33.52%) 1,943 1.18 0.53 2,240 55.68% vs. Server
8 Somua SM Stats / Compare 16 (37.50%) 1,650 1.25 0.44 1,591 50.00% vs. Server
8 Strv 81 Stats / Compare 5 (0.00%) 848 0.20 1.00 n/a 678 40.00% vs. Server
8 Strv S1 Stats / Compare 97 (38.14%) 1,560 0.97 0.36 1,570 56.70% vs. Server
8 SU-101 Stats / Compare 60 (20.00%) 1,672 0.97 0.82 1,940 46.67% vs. Server
8 T-103 Stats / Compare 13 (23.08%) 1,191 0.69 0.54 1,254 61.54% vs. Server
8 T-34-3 Stats / Compare 28 (28.57%) 1,110 0.43 1.32 1,187 46.43% vs. Server
8 T-44 Stats / Compare 121 (19.83%) 1,007 0.72 1.11 1,228 34.71% vs. Server
8 T-44-100 Stats / Compare 7 (0.00%) 1,138 0.86 1.29 1,261 14.29% vs. Server
8 T-832 Stats / Compare 25 (16.00%) 1,554 0.68 1.20 2,041,414 44.00% vs. Server
8 T26E5 Stats / Compare 272 (24.26%) 1,504 0.96 1.28 2,080 56.25% vs. Server
8 T28 Stats / Compare 24 (41.67%) 1,695 0.83 0.50 1,705 45.83% vs. Server
8 T28 Prot. Stats / Compare 92 (21.74%) 1,341 0.86 0.50 1,493 56.52% vs. Server
8 T77 Stats / Compare 10 (30.00%) 1,443 1.00 0.80 2,448,206 70.00% vs. Server
8 Tiger II Stats / Compare 50 (30.00%) +11 1,756 -121.46 1.16 -0.10 0.70 -0.12 2,294 -245.05 50.00% -3.85% vs. Server
8 TS-5 Stats / Compare 28 (39.29%) 1,366 0.64 0.57 1,278 78.57% vs. Server
8 Type 63 Stats / Compare 14 (21.43%) 1,066 0.50 1.07 1,441,420 64.29% vs. Server
8 UDES 14 5 Stats / Compare 48 (43.75%) 1,620 1.06 0.92 1,979 54.17% vs. Server
8 Vipera Stats / Compare 3 (33.33%) 1,092 0.67 0.33 n/a 2,499,857 33.33% vs. Server
8 VK 100.01 P Stats / Compare 19 (42.11%) 1,126 0.53 0.63 1,152 57.89% vs. Server
8 WZ-120-1 FT Stats / Compare 75 (25.33%) 1,361 1.13 0.85 1,507 49.33% vs. Server
7 AMX 13 75 Stats / Compare 48 (29.17%) 950 1.10 3.10 2,599 70.83% vs. Server
7 AT 15A Stats / Compare 4 (0.00%) 830 0.00 0.25 886 50.00% vs. Server
7 IS Stats / Compare 91 (29.67%) 997 0.85 0.69 1,226 41.76% vs. Server
7 JPanther Stats / Compare 125 (25.60%) 888 0.81 0.34 1,072 48.00% vs. Server
7 King Tiger (C) Stats / Compare 45 (22.22%) 1,015 0.53 0.91 1,194 55.56% vs. Server
7 Leo Stats / Compare 49 (32.65%) 1,140 1.14 0.96 1,910 53.06% vs. Server
7 M12 Stats / Compare 35 (45.71%) 899 0.29 0.03 928 48.57% vs. Server
7 P.43 ter Stats / Compare 17 (11.76%) 614 0.41 0.35 579 35.29% vs. Server
7 St. Emil Stats / Compare 74 (24.32%) 760 0.69 0.16 884 48.65% vs. Server
7 Steyr WT Stats / Compare 23 (30.43%) 1,001 0.83 0.70 1,363 52.17% vs. Server
7 SU-100M1 Stats / Compare 48 (25.00%) 1,292 1.02 0.94 1,851 43.75% vs. Server
7 Super Hellcat Stats / Compare 4 (0.00%) 1,118 0.75 1.00 1,696 75.00% vs. Server
7 T-43 Stats / Compare 2 (50.00%) 1,525 2.00 4.00 3,801 100.00% vs. Server
7 T25 AT Stats / Compare 11 (27.27%) 842 0.36 0.09 957 54.55% vs. Server
7 T25/2 Stats / Compare 16 (18.75%) 1,128 0.56 0.50 1,448 50.00% vs. Server
7 Tiger (P) Stats / Compare 18 (11.11%) 828 0.61 0.39 865 44.44% vs. Server
7 Tiger I Stats / Compare 56 (26.79%) 1,105 0.95 0.93 1,496 44.64% vs. Server
7 VK 45.03 Stats / Compare 13 (30.77%) 1,218 0.85 0.31 1,544 61.54% vs. Server
6 AMD 178B Stats / Compare 35 (28.57%) 551 0.86 2.03 1,703 48.57% vs. Server
6 AMX 12 t Stats / Compare 46 (21.74%) 845 1.41 2.70 3,177 54.35% vs. Server
6 ARL 44 Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 1,288 1.00 0.00 2,220 0.00% vs. Server
6 Churchill VII Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 772 0.50 1.50 1,158 25.00% vs. Server
6 Crusader Stats / Compare 15 (13.33%) 248 0.40 0.67 435 33.33% vs. Server
6 Hellcat Stats / Compare 18 (27.78%) 753 0.83 0.39 1,310 61.11% vs. Server
6 HT No. VI Stats / Compare 56 (19.64%) 760 0.91 0.66 1,211 44.64% vs. Server
6 Jackson Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 1,359 0.50 0.25 2,315 75.00% vs. Server
6 Jg.Pz. IV Stats / Compare 62 (32.26%) 629 1.06 0.47 1,180 56.45% vs. Server
6 KV-1S Stats / Compare 8 (37.50%) 1,204 3.00 2.00 3,982 50.00% vs. Server
6 KV-2 Stats / Compare 7 (14.29%) 420 0.29 0.14 n/a 429 42.86% vs. Server
6 KV-85 Stats / Compare 43 (25.58%) 793 0.70 0.60 1,195 46.51% vs. Server
6 M44 Stats / Compare 73 (36.99%) 475 0.36 0.03 593 47.95% vs. Server
6 M4A3E8 Stats / Compare 3 (33.33%) 477 0.67 0.00 919 66.67% vs. Server
6 O-I Stats / Compare 78 (28.21%) 740 1.05 0.67 1,297 53.85% vs. Server
6 P.43 bis Stats / Compare 36 (30.56%) 776 1.06 0.50 1,372 47.22% vs. Server
6 Pudel Stats / Compare 7 (14.29%) 792 0.57 1.86 1,236 28.57% vs. Server
6 Pz. IV S. Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 412 0.00 1.50 n/a 443 0.00% vs. Server
6 Strv 74 Stats / Compare 5 (20.00%) 791 1.20 0.80 1,662 60.00% vs. Server
6 SU-100 Stats / Compare 31 (35.48%) 1,119 1.87 0.77 2,529 54.84% vs. Server
6 SU-100Y Stats / Compare 28 (28.57%) 1,103 1.25 0.29 2,088 67.86% vs. Server
6 T-34-85 Stats / Compare 32 (28.13%) 667 1.03 0.88 1,402 59.38% vs. Server
6 VK 30.01 P Stats / Compare 70 (21.43%) 796 0.79 1.14 1,579 58.57% vs. Server
6 VK 30.02 M Stats / Compare 9 (33.33%) 1,119 1.44 1.67 2,927 66.67% vs. Server
6 VK 36.01 H Stats / Compare 27 (29.63%) 998 0.85 0.81 1,838 55.56% vs. Server
5 A-20 Stats / Compare 26 (11.54%) 223 0.58 1.58 796 42.31% vs. Server
5 AMX ELC bis Stats / Compare 39 (23.08%) 633 0.95 2.15 2,638 53.85% vs. Server
5 Churchill I Stats / Compare 3 (0.00%) 50 0.00 0.67 n/a 243 66.67% vs. Server
5 Covenanter Stats / Compare 35 (14.29%) 158 0.57 0.69 512 54.29% vs. Server
5 KV-1 Stats / Compare 12 (33.33%) 838 1.92 0.58 2,288 75.00% vs. Server
5 M10 RBFM Stats / Compare 4 (0.00%) 575 1.00 1.00 1,275 50.00% vs. Server
5 M41 HMC Stats / Compare 3 (33.33%) 329 0.33 0.00 229 33.33% vs. Server
5 M4A1 Stats / Compare 15 (6.67%) 230 0.07 0.73 467 60.00% vs. Server
5 O-I Exp. Stats / Compare 16 (31.25%) 505 1.25 0.50 942 62.50% vs. Server
5 Pz. IV F2 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 459 0.00 2.00 n/a 574,592 0.00% vs. Server
5 Pz. IV H Stats / Compare 33 (18.18%) 519 0.91 0.76 1,416 57.58% vs. Server
5 Pz.Sfl. IVc Stats / Compare 10 (20.00%) 848 1.10 0.40 2,040 50.00% vs. Server
5 S35 CA Stats / Compare 16 (31.25%) 673 0.94 0.19 1,269 37.50% vs. Server
5 Strv m/42 Stats / Compare 6 (16.67%) 318 0.17 1.00 n/a 535 33.33% vs. Server
5 StuG III G Stats / Compare 28 (25.00%) 398 0.64 0.39 844 57.14% vs. Server
5 SU-85 Stats / Compare 10 (40.00%) 601 1.10 0.80 1,612 60.00% vs. Server
5 T-34 Stats / Compare 44 (13.64%) 225 0.34 0.36 442 52.27% vs. Server
5 VK 30.01 H Stats / Compare 16 (25.00%) 692 0.75 0.75 1,300 37.50% vs. Server
4 AMX 40 Stats / Compare 8 (25.00%) 191 0.38 1.00 668 25.00% vs. Server
4 BT-7 Stats / Compare 15 (6.67%) 105 0.33 1.27 387 53.33% vs. Server
4 Cruiser IV Stats / Compare 21 (23.81%) 136 0.67 0.52 343 47.62% vs. Server
4 D.W. 2 Stats / Compare 3 (0.00%) 91 0.00 0.67 n/a 0 33.33% vs. Server
4 Hetzer Stats / Compare 108 (29.63%) 564 1.24 0.64 1,807 54.63% vs. Server
4 Lago Stats / Compare 5 (20.00%) 333 0.20 0.00 1,025 60.00% vs. Server
4 Luchs Stats / Compare 29 (17.24%) 278 0.69 1.72 1,090 62.07% vs. Server
4 M3 Lee Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 201 0.50 0.00 553 50.00% vs. Server
4 Marder 38T Stats / Compare 11 (18.18%) 278 0.55 0.18 609 54.55% vs. Server
4 Matilda Stats / Compare 26 (34.62%) 287 0.77 0.38 734 50.00% vs. Server
4 P26/40 Stats / Compare 10 (20.00%) 421 1.10 0.80 1,478 60.00% vs. Server
4 Pz. III J Stats / Compare 3 (0.00%) 172 0.00 1.00 554 66.67% vs. Server
4 Pz. IV D Stats / Compare 25 (12.00%) 174 0.36 0.84 452 56.00% vs. Server
4 SAu 40 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 579 1.00 0.00 n/a 1,632 0.00% vs. Server
4 Sav m/43 Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 151 0.50 0.00 n/a 176 0.00% vs. Server
4 SU-76M Stats / Compare 3 (0.00%) 176 0.33 0.33 542 66.67% vs. Server
4 T-28 Stats / Compare 13 (30.77%) 291 0.54 0.46 782 46.15% vs. Server
4 T-34 1941 Stats / Compare 3 (66.67%) 878 2.33 1.67 1,292,005 66.67% vs. Server
4 T82 HMC Stats / Compare 1 (100.00%) 146 0.00 0.00 n/a 444 100.00% vs. Server
4 Type 95 Stats / Compare 6 (16.67%) 190 0.50 0.33 398 33.33% vs. Server
3 AMX 38 Stats / Compare 1 (100.00%) 1,218 6.00 3.00 17,358 100.00% vs. Server
3 BT-7 art. Stats / Compare 5 (20.00%) 723 0.80 3.60 4,041 20.00% vs. Server
3 Cruiser III Stats / Compare 16 (18.75%) 241 1.44 1.00 1,450 68.75% vs. Server
3 D2 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 136 0.00 3.00 n/a 303 0.00% vs. Server
3 Ikv 72 Stats / Compare 15 (20.00%) 216 1.07 0.47 706 53.33% vs. Server
3 M15/42 Stats / Compare 6 (50.00%) 502 2.33 2.33 2,682 50.00% vs. Server
3 M2 Medium Stats / Compare 8 (0.00%) 114 0.13 1.13 n/a 192 25.00% vs. Server
3 Marder II Stats / Compare 12 (16.67%) 190 0.58 0.33 573 66.67% vs. Server
3 Pz. I C Stats / Compare 8 (0.00%) 160 0.75 3.50 596 37.50% vs. Server
3 Pz. II G Stats / Compare 3 (33.33%) 230 1.00 0.33 1,133 66.67% vs. Server
3 Pz. III E Stats / Compare 10 (0.00%) 54 0.10 0.70 n/a 0 20.00% vs. Server
3 Pz. IV A Stats / Compare 9 (22.22%) 259 1.00 0.89 962 33.33% vs. Server
3 Pz. S35 Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 577 2.25 2.00 n/a 2,893 50.00% vs. Server
3 Sexton II Stats / Compare 6 (16.67%) 83 0.17 0.00 n/a 89 16.67% vs. Server
3 Somua S35 Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 170 1.00 1.50 n/a 465 0.00% vs. Server
3 T-116 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 433 0.00 5.00 n/a 1,770 0.00% vs. Server
3 T-127 Stats / Compare 57 (22.81%) 296 1.09 1.35 1,284 64.91% vs. Server
3 T-29 Stats / Compare 10 (20.00%) 314 0.60 1.50 1,248 50.00% vs. Server
3 T-46 Stats / Compare 18 (22.22%) 279 1.22 0.78 1,459 55.56% vs. Server
3 T18 HMC Stats / Compare 7 (14.29%) 131 0.57 0.29 418 42.86% vs. Server
3 Type 91 Stats / Compare 11 (9.09%) 142 0.45 0.82 313 27.27% vs. Server
3 Valentine Stats / Compare 5 (20.00%) 322 1.20 0.00 1,412 60.00% vs. Server
2 BT-2 Stats / Compare 5 (20.00%) 119 0.40 0.80 395 40.00% vs. Server
2 Cruiser II Stats / Compare 20 (20.00%) 250 0.85 0.85 1,057 50.00% vs. Server
2 D1 Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 154 1.00 1.00 805 50.00% vs. Server
2 FT AC Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 21 0.00 0.00 n/a 0 0.00% vs. Server
2 FT BS Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 215 3.00 0.00 1,441 100.00% vs. Server
2 H35 Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 123 0.50 1.50 495 50.00% vs. Server
2 I-Go/Chi-Ro Stats / Compare 3 (33.33%) 168 1.33 0.67 972 66.67% vs. Server
2 L-60 Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 24 0.00 0.00 n/a 0 0.00% vs. Server
2 Loyd GC Stats / Compare 6 (16.67%) 135 0.50 0.00 n/a 629 33.33% vs. Server
2 M2 Light Stats / Compare 5 (20.00%) 79 0.60 2.20 n/a 398 80.00% vs. Server
2 Medium II Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 70 0.50 0.00 n/a 85 0.00% vs. Server
2 Pvlvv fm/42 Stats / Compare 6 (16.67%) 51 0.33 0.83 80 50.00% vs. Server
2 Pz. I Stats / Compare 2 (50.00%) 174 0.50 0.50 891 50.00% vs. Server
2 Pz. II Stats / Compare 8 (50.00%) 272 2.13 0.88 1,821 87.50% vs. Server
2 Pz.Jäg. I Stats / Compare 3 (0.00%) 114 0.33 0.67 212 33.33% vs. Server
2 R35 Stats / Compare 9 (33.33%) 182 1.00 1.00 1,016 55.56% vs. Server
2 T-26 Stats / Compare 5 (20.00%) 169 1.20 0.60 755 40.00% vs. Server
2 T1 HMC Stats / Compare 3 (0.00%) 20 0.33 0.00 0 33.33% vs. Server
2 T2 Medium Stats / Compare 3 (0.00%) 114 1.00 0.67 591 66.67% vs. Server
2 T3 HMC Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 0 0.00 1.00 n/a 0 0.00% vs. Server
2 Tetrarch Stats / Compare 8 (50.00%) 399 2.50 1.38 3,050 87.50% vs. Server
2 TKS 20 Stats / Compare 2 (50.00%) 372 1.00 0.00 2,447 0.00% vs. Server
1 Cruiser I Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 279 2.50 2.50 1,730 50.00% vs. Server
1 FT Stats / Compare 2 (50.00%) 114 1.50 0.00 564 50.00% vs. Server
1 L.Tr. Stats / Compare 4 (0.00%) 106 0.25 1.00 333 25.00% vs. Server
1 Medium I Stats / Compare 2 (50.00%) 524 3.00 1.50 4,699 100.00% vs. Server
1 MS-1 Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 0 0.00 1.00 n/a 0 0.00% vs. Server
1 Strv fm/21 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 190 2.00 0.00 1,138 0.00% vs. Server
1 T1 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 0 0.00 0.00 n/a 261 100.00% vs. Server

Gold cost of prem vehicles: 0
USD Value: $0.00

Creadits spent on regular vhicles: 0
Credits to gold: 0

Total Gold: 0
Total USD: $0.00

1 gold = 400 credits | 250 gold =$1.00 USD
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