Players jason_sang [ABOBA]    

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Players Tanks: 201 All Tanks   |   Recent Tanks
Tier Nation Tank Type Battles (Survived%) Damage Frags Spotted Mastery WN8 Win Other Players
10 B-C 155 58 Stats / Compare 80 (46.25%) +18 1,420 -47.78 0.44 0.03 -0.01 1,057 -26.93 46.25% +2.70% vs. Server
10 Grille 15 Stats / Compare 95 (36.84%) +1 2,145 -3.35 1.27 0.28 1,425 -9.68 44.21% -0.47% vs. Server
10 Obj. 140 Stats / Compare 81 (32.10%) +1 1,750 -2.35 0.84 -0.01 0.93 -0.01 1,231 -12.20 40.74% -0.51% vs. Server
10 Obj. 430U Stats / Compare 254 (24.02%) +2 1,582 +7.87 0.73 +0.01 0.95 975 +8.62 41.73% +0.07% vs. Server
9 AMX 13 90 Stats / Compare 30 (10.00%) +5 555 -63.42 0.43 -0.09 3.33 -0.23 592 -129.93 43.33% -0.67% vs. Server
9 B-C 155 55 Stats / Compare 199 (48.74%) 1,255 0.58 0.01 1,206 55.28% vs. Server
9 Emil II Stats / Compare 29 (27.59%) 1,906 1.00 1.45 1,839 55.17% vs. Server
9 Obj. 430 Stats / Compare 133 (26.32%) 1,175 0.63 0.87 744 42.11% vs. Server
9 Patton Tank Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 1,414 0.50 0.00 2,528,279 50.00% vs. Server
9 T-54 Stats / Compare 4 (0.00%) 623 0.00 0.00 412 50.00% vs. Server
9 Tiger-Maus Stats / Compare 49 (34.69%) 1,898 1.08 0.82 4,062,207 48.98% vs. Server
9 WT auf Pz. IV Stats / Compare 95 (33.68%) 2,173 1.09 0.38 1,782 37.89% vs. Server
8 Alembic Stats / Compare 9 (44.44%) 1,530 0.89 1.00 1,980,185 66.67% vs. Server
8 Alpine Tiger Stats / Compare 284 (24.30%) 949 0.65 0.76 907 43.31% vs. Server
8 B-C 12 t Stats / Compare 161 (13.66%) 491 0.34 2.91 646 46.58% vs. Server
8 Caliban Stats / Compare 7 (14.29%) 1,641 0.71 0.57 3,288,857 42.86% vs. Server
8 Centurion 5/1 Stats / Compare 5 (20.00%) 1,185 0.80 1.40 1,449 20.00% vs. Server
8 Centurion I Stats / Compare 16 (6.25%) 585 0.19 1.25 472 43.75% vs. Server
8 Emil I Stats / Compare 60 (48.33%) +1 1,569 -4.98 1.07 +0.03 0.63 -0.01 1,943 +9.16 65.00% +0.59% vs. Server
8 IS-3 Stats / Compare 10 (20.00%) 702 0.00 0.30 414 30.00% vs. Server
8 K-2 Stats / Compare 40 (35.00%) +2 1,495 +18.58 0.93 -0.02 1.33 +0.06 2,502,904 +10,832.30 62.50% -0.66% vs. Server
8 Lorr. 155 51 Stats / Compare 105 (48.57%) 1,106 0.61 0.02 1,158 52.38% vs. Server
8 Rhm.-B. WT Stats / Compare 133 (44.36%) 1,606 1.11 0.29 1,630 55.64% vs. Server
8 Strv S1 Stats / Compare 189 (47.09%) +17 1,650 +43.70 1.10 +0.05 0.34 +0.02 1,738 +88.29 54.50% +1.01% vs. Server
8 T-44 Stats / Compare 120 (26.67%) 819 0.58 0.81 910 46.67% vs. Server
8 T-44-100 Stats / Compare 17 (29.41%) 457 0.47 1.00 462 58.82% vs. Server
8 T26E5 P Stats / Compare 242 (23.55%) 866 0.48 0.74 818 48.76% vs. Server
8 TS-5 Stats / Compare 288 (39.24%) +1 1,648 -2.71 1.09 +0.01 0.63 1,777 +5.24 61.81% +0.13% vs. Server
8 TS-54 Stats / Compare 59 (35.59%) +7 1,457 +117.17 0.93 +0.11 0.80 -0.01 2,223,608 +240,715.84 54.24% -1.53% vs. Server
8 VK 75.01 K Stats / Compare 245 (24.90%) 963 0.56 0.56 805 42.45% vs. Server
8 WZ-120-1 FT Stats / Compare 127 (33.86%) 976 0.61 0.51 775 44.09% vs. Server
8 XM66F Stats / Compare 67 (34.33%) 1,737 0.94 0.60 3,819,343 44.78% vs. Server
7 45TP Stats / Compare 9 (22.22%) 1,350 1.00 1.44 1,867 44.44% vs. Server
7 AMX 13 57 Stats / Compare 4 (75.00%) 660 1.00 1.75 1,212 75.00% vs. Server
7 AMX 13 75 Stats / Compare 21 (9.52%) 472 0.38 0.81 733 47.62% vs. Server
7 AT 15A Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 277 0.00 0.00 n/a 75 0.00% vs. Server
7 EBR Hotch. Stats / Compare 17 (5.88%) 243 0.29 2.59 332 52.94% vs. Server
7 IS Stats / Compare 39 (17.95%) 697 0.46 0.62 662 35.90% vs. Server
7 Leo Stats / Compare 19 (26.32%) 1,204 1.32 1.26 2,124 47.37% vs. Server
7 Lorr. 155 50 Stats / Compare 32 (50.00%) 924 0.91 0.03 1,263 59.38% vs. Server
7 O-Ni Stats / Compare 43 (32.56%) 1,016 0.63 0.77 1,203 55.81% vs. Server
7 St. Emil Stats / Compare 28 (42.86%) 988 1.07 0.18 1,266 46.43% vs. Server
7 SU-152 Stats / Compare 15 (20.00%) 695 0.73 0.20 772 46.67% vs. Server
7 Super Hellcat Stats / Compare 9 (0.00%) 553 0.44 0.56 484 11.11% vs. Server
7 T-43 Stats / Compare 7 (14.29%) 458 0.71 0.43 n/a 437 28.57% vs. Server
7 VK 45.03 Stats / Compare 3 (0.00%) 165 1.00 0.00 n/a 0 0.00% vs. Server
6 40TP Stats / Compare 15 (20.00%) 935 1.13 0.53 1,980 46.67% vs. Server
6 AMD 178B Stats / Compare 70 (7.14%) 286 0.31 0.87 582 51.43% vs. Server
6 AMX 12 t Stats / Compare 12 (16.67%) 541 0.92 0.08 1,501 58.33% vs. Server
6 AMX 13 F3 Stats / Compare 87 (43.68%) 735 1.01 0.07 1,073 47.13% vs. Server
6 Bassotto Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 215 0.00 1.00 n/a 530,288 50.00% vs. Server
6 Bret. Panther Stats / Compare 10 (70.00%) 730 0.90 1.10 1,310 60.00% vs. Server
6 Chi-To Stats / Compare 10 (50.00%) 970 1.20 0.50 2,083 70.00% vs. Server
6 Cromwell Stats / Compare 48 (20.83%) 273 0.31 0.44 384 56.25% vs. Server
6 Crusader Stats / Compare 10 (20.00%) 492 0.20 0.80 1,112 40.00% vs. Server
6 Firefly VC Stats / Compare 5 (20.00%) 451 0.80 0.40 483 40.00% vs. Server
6 Jg.Pz. IV Stats / Compare 17 (35.29%) 473 0.41 0.35 698 52.94% vs. Server
6 KV-1S Stats / Compare 13 (30.77%) 817 1.54 0.77 2,073 69.23% vs. Server
6 KV-2 Stats / Compare 57 (47.37%) 1,047 1.16 0.46 1,938 59.65% vs. Server
6 KV-85 Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 338 0.25 0.50 n/a 256 25.00% vs. Server
6 M44 Stats / Compare 24 (62.50%) 439 0.54 0.00 611 54.17% vs. Server
6 M4A3E8 Stats / Compare 17 (23.53%) 335 0.59 0.35 403 41.18% vs. Server
6 Nashorn Stats / Compare 19 (42.11%) 641 0.47 0.00 869 47.37% vs. Server
6 O-I Stats / Compare 62 (25.81%) 562 0.66 0.45 826 56.45% vs. Server
6 Rudy Pl Stats / Compare 71 (16.90%) 540 0.44 0.55 681 42.25% vs. Server
6 Rudy USSR Stats / Compare 67 (16.42%) +3 540 +16.49 0.46 +0.01 0.55 -0.01 675 +53.52 43.28% +2.66% vs. Server
6 Strv 74 Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 790 1.75 0.00 1,340 25.00% vs. Server
6 Super Chaffee Stats / Compare 15 (6.67%) 457 0.33 0.93 302,895 53.33% vs. Server
6 T-34-85M Stats / Compare 4 (0.00%) 493 0.50 1.00 540 25.00% vs. Server
6 T-50-2 Stats / Compare 26 (7.69%) 419 0.77 2.08 1,091 50.00% vs. Server
6 T78 Stats / Compare 46 (34.78%) 724 0.76 0.63 984 50.00% vs. Server
6 VK 28.01 Stats / Compare 39 (20.51%) 584 0.56 1.21 1,550 46.15% vs. Server
6 VK 28.01 105 Stats / Compare 35 (8.57%) 479 0.60 1.54 321,326 48.57% vs. Server
6 VK 30.01 P Stats / Compare 6 (0.00%) 299 0.33 0.50 251 33.33% vs. Server
5 AMX 13 AM Stats / Compare 90 (34.44%) 289 0.37 0.00 323 35.56% vs. Server
5 AMX ELC bis Stats / Compare 41 (12.20%) 294 0.63 0.61 827 41.46% vs. Server
5 ARMT Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 457 0.00 0.00 n/a 529,751 100.00% vs. Server
5 AT 2 Stats / Compare 14 (42.86%) 540 0.79 0.21 1,127 42.86% vs. Server
5 BDR G1 B Stats / Compare 11 (9.09%) 95 0.27 0.09 n/a 0 27.27% vs. Server
5 Chi-Nu Stats / Compare 3 (66.67%) 726 1.00 1.00 2,363 66.67% vs. Server
5 Churchill I Stats / Compare 40 (30.00%) 229 0.35 0.28 197 40.00% vs. Server
5 Covenanter Stats / Compare 42 (11.90%) 178 0.67 0.67 484 35.71% vs. Server
5 Ikv 103 Stats / Compare 6 (16.67%) 607 1.33 0.50 1,562 33.33% vs. Server
5 KV-1 Stats / Compare 21 (23.81%) 316 0.38 0.62 524 52.38% vs. Server
5 KV-1SA Stats / Compare 11 (27.27%) 578 0.64 0.91 873,101 54.55% vs. Server
5 Leopard Stats / Compare 83 (7.23%) 175 0.27 0.60 303 34.94% vs. Server
5 M10 RBFM Stats / Compare 91 (29.67%) 742 1.09 0.46 1,622 51.65% vs. Server
5 M41 HMC Stats / Compare 55 (43.64%) 342 0.58 0.07 433 50.91% vs. Server
5 M4A1 Stats / Compare 78 (21.79%) 318 0.63 0.51 643 50.00% vs. Server
5 M7 Stats / Compare 82 (6.10%) 122 0.26 0.46 225 47.56% vs. Server
5 O-I Exp. Stats / Compare 31 (22.58%) 313 0.48 0.68 391 48.39% vs. Server
5 P.43 Stats / Compare 12 (16.67%) 152 0.08 0.17 n/a 113 33.33% vs. Server
5 Pz. III K Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 159 0.00 3.00 n/a 229 50.00% vs. Server
5 Pz. IV H Stats / Compare 4 (50.00%) 448 0.75 0.50 1,216 75.00% vs. Server
5 Semovente Stats / Compare 8 (50.00%) 622 1.00 0.13 1,857,642 62.50% vs. Server
5 Strv m/42 Stats / Compare 7 (42.86%) 575 0.57 0.57 1,364 42.86% vs. Server
5 StuG III G Stats / Compare 70 (31.43%) 380 0.63 0.29 697 45.71% vs. Server
5 StuG IV Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 445 0.00 0.00 n/a 771 0.00% vs. Server
5 T-34S Stats / Compare 22 (27.27%) 657 1.14 0.82 2,012 59.09% vs. Server
5 Type T-34 Stats / Compare 22 (18.18%) 277 0.36 0.95 509 40.91% vs. Server
5 VK 30.01 H Stats / Compare 20 (25.00%) 324 0.40 0.50 391 40.00% vs. Server
4 14TP Stats / Compare 2 (50.00%) 111 0.00 0.50 n/a 265 50.00% vs. Server
4 AMX 105 AM Stats / Compare 85 (35.29%) 127 0.28 0.04 178 43.53% vs. Server
4 AMX 40 Stats / Compare 11 (9.09%) 73 0.18 0.27 n/a 49 18.18% vs. Server
4 B1 Stats / Compare 57 (21.05%) 198 0.70 0.56 472 42.11% vs. Server
4 Chi-He Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 237 0.50 1.50 n/a 616 0.00% vs. Server
4 Cruiser IV Stats / Compare 18 (5.56%) 136 0.61 0.72 418 55.56% vs. Server
4 D.W. 2 Stats / Compare 58 (18.97%) 138 0.36 0.40 320 58.62% vs. Server
4 Hetzer Stats / Compare 69 (23.19%) 147 0.54 0.20 233 50.72% vs. Server
4 IT-3 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 584 1.00 1.00 n/a 586,983 0.00% vs. Server
4 Ke-Ho Stats / Compare 19 (15.79%) 82 0.16 0.58 32 42.11% vs. Server
4 Luchs Stats / Compare 92 (9.78%) 91 0.17 0.53 52 34.78% vs. Server
4 M3 Lee Stats / Compare 54 (29.63%) 153 0.33 0.13 335 46.30% vs. Server
4 M37 Stats / Compare 12 (41.67%) 109 0.25 0.00 110 41.67% vs. Server
4 M5 Stuart Stats / Compare 67 (8.96%) 83 0.27 0.76 101 41.79% vs. Server
4 M5A1 Stuart Stats / Compare 10 (20.00%) 191 0.60 1.60 566 40.00% vs. Server
4 M8A1 Stats / Compare 3 (33.33%) 695 1.00 0.00 n/a 2,161 66.67% vs. Server
4 Matilda Stats / Compare 65 (12.31%) 134 0.43 0.20 114 35.38% vs. Server
4 P26/40 Stats / Compare 28 (25.00%) 157 0.32 0.43 338 53.57% vs. Server
4 Pz. IV D Stats / Compare 11 (18.18%) 183 0.36 0.64 461 54.55% vs. Server
4 Pz.Sfl. IC Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 433 1.00 1.00 1,053,969 25.00% vs. Server
4 Sav m/43 Stats / Compare 35 (8.57%) 124 0.46 0.26 98 34.29% vs. Server
4 SU-5 Stats / Compare 5 (0.00%) 302 0.20 0.00 n/a 427 20.00% vs. Server
4 T-28 Stats / Compare 45 (6.67%) 94 0.27 0.42 113 48.89% vs. Server
4 T-34 1941 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 1,183 1.00 4.00 1,276,695 0.00% vs. Server
4 T-80 Stats / Compare 20 (10.00%) 128 0.15 0.25 206 35.00% vs. Server
4 T82 HMC Stats / Compare 11 (0.00%) 15 0.00 0.00 n/a 0 9.09% vs. Server
4 Type 95 Stats / Compare 15 (33.33%) 78 0.47 0.27 74 46.67% vs. Server
4 Valentine AT Stats / Compare 13 (38.46%) 438 0.69 0.00 1,338 30.77% vs. Server
3 AMX 38 Stats / Compare 20 (25.00%) 60 0.15 0.10 13 40.00% vs. Server
3 BT-7 art. Stats / Compare 2 (50.00%) 342 0.50 2.50 n/a 1,597 0.00% vs. Server
3 Chi-Ha Stats / Compare 27 (18.52%) 103 0.26 0.44 126 40.74% vs. Server
3 Cruiser III Stats / Compare 17 (11.76%) 52 0.41 0.59 160 58.82% vs. Server
3 D2 Stats / Compare 23 (17.39%) 100 0.35 0.17 247 52.17% vs. Server
3 Ikv 72 Stats / Compare 31 (25.81%) 141 0.58 0.10 288 48.39% vs. Server
3 Ke-Ni Stats / Compare 35 (37.14%) 110 0.37 0.34 262 45.71% vs. Server
3 Lorr. 39L AM Stats / Compare 58 (36.21%) 51 0.21 0.03 91 46.55% vs. Server
3 M15/42 Stats / Compare 26 (7.69%) 105 0.35 0.54 197 50.00% vs. Server
3 M2 Medium Stats / Compare 68 (19.12%) 74 0.32 0.76 131 51.47% vs. Server
3 M3 Stuart Stats / Compare 70 (15.71%) 93 0.29 0.70 215 45.71% vs. Server
3 M3G FT Stats / Compare 7 (42.86%) 36 0.00 0.14 n/a 139 57.14% vs. Server
3 M7 Priest Stats / Compare 25 (40.00%) 201 0.92 0.16 354 40.00% vs. Server
3 Marder II Stats / Compare 13 (30.77%) 191 1.08 0.00 391 38.46% vs. Server
3 Medium III Stats / Compare 25 (12.00%) 207 0.72 0.36 857 64.00% vs. Server
3 MTLS-1G14 Stats / Compare 14 (35.71%) 486 1.50 0.71 2,722 64.29% vs. Server
3 Pz. I C Stats / Compare 88 (22.73%) 138 0.57 1.11 517 51.14% vs. Server
3 Pz. II G Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 219 0.00 4.00 n/a 708 0.00% vs. Server
3 Pz. III E Stats / Compare 47 (23.40%) 130 0.53 0.87 452 55.32% vs. Server
3 Pz. IV A Stats / Compare 10 (10.00%) 116 0.60 0.40 222 30.00% vs. Server
3 Sexton I Stats / Compare 3 (66.67%) 336 0.67 0.00 1,467 66.67% vs. Server
3 Strv m/40L Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 457 0.25 0.75 1,665 50.00% vs. Server
3 Stuart I-IV Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 78 0.00 0.00 n/a 139 50.00% vs. Server
3 T-29 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 198 1.00 0.00 859 100.00% vs. Server
3 T-46 Stats / Compare 13 (15.38%) 111 0.23 0.85 440 61.54% vs. Server
3 T-70 Stats / Compare 15 (13.33%) 58 0.33 0.20 57 46.67% vs. Server
3 T18 HMC Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 132 0.00 0.00 n/a 590 100.00% vs. Server
3 Type 91 Stats / Compare 21 (28.57%) 113 0.38 0.14 332 57.14% vs. Server
3 Valentine Stats / Compare 16 (25.00%) 203 0.56 0.50 625 37.50% vs. Server
3 Wespe Stats / Compare 20 (30.00%) 87 0.20 0.05 30 30.00% vs. Server
2 AM Gendron Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 70 1.00 0.00 n/a 107 0.00% vs. Server
2 AMR 35 Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 205 0.50 0.50 998 50.00% vs. Server
2 Cruiser II Stats / Compare 5 (80.00%) 74 0.20 0.20 n/a 299 80.00% vs. Server
2 D1 Stats / Compare 12 (25.00%) 4 0.08 0.17 152 58.33% vs. Server
2 FCM 36 Stats / Compare 9 (11.11%) 14 0.22 0.33 0 33.33% vs. Server
2 FT AC Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 56 0.00 1.00 n/a 0 0.00% vs. Server
2 FT BS Stats / Compare 13 (38.46%) 107 0.31 0.08 405 46.15% vs. Server
2 G.Pz. Mk. VI Stats / Compare 10 (50.00%) 31 0.00 0.00 174 60.00% vs. Server
2 Ha-Go Stats / Compare 22 (13.64%) 32 0.27 0.14 1 31.82% vs. Server
2 I-Go/Chi-Ro Stats / Compare 11 (18.18%) 53 0.27 0.18 0 36.36% vs. Server
2 Loyd GC Stats / Compare 13 (30.77%) 17 0.08 0.15 n/a 0 38.46% vs. Server
2 LT vz. 35 Stats / Compare 3 (66.67%) 52 0.33 0.00 n/a 247 66.67% vs. Server
2 M14/41 Stats / Compare 8 (25.00%) 106 0.13 0.25 408 62.50% vs. Server
2 M2 Stats / Compare 5 (0.00%) 114 0.80 0.80 359 40.00% vs. Server
2 M2 Light Stats / Compare 13 (0.00%) 57 0.15 0.54 8 23.08% vs. Server
2 Medium II Stats / Compare 11 (27.27%) 28 0.09 0.18 n/a 124 54.55% vs. Server
2 MKA Stats / Compare 4 (0.00%) 103 0.50 0.00 481 75.00% vs. Server
2 Pvlvv fm/42 Stats / Compare 7 (28.57%) 50 0.14 0.43 140 57.14% vs. Server
2 Pz. 35 (t) Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 93 0.00 0.00 301 50.00% vs. Server
2 Pz. I Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 66 0.75 1.00 211 50.00% vs. Server
2 Pz. II Stats / Compare 11 (18.18%) 46 0.27 0.27 41 45.45% vs. Server
2 Pz.Jäg. I Stats / Compare 8 (12.50%) 80 0.38 0.13 135 50.00% vs. Server
2 Strv m/38 Stats / Compare 4 (0.00%) 25 0.00 0.50 n/a 0 25.00% vs. Server
2 T-26 Stats / Compare 9 (33.33%) 128 0.67 0.67 583 55.56% vs. Server
2 T-26G FT Stats / Compare 8 (37.50%) 81 0.75 0.13 255 62.50% vs. Server
2 T-60 Stats / Compare 6 (16.67%) 87 0.33 0.67 275 50.00% vs. Server
2 T1 HMC Stats / Compare 7 (57.14%) 49 0.14 0.00 170 57.14% vs. Server
2 T2 Light Stats / Compare 7 (14.29%) 195 1.00 0.86 1,135 57.14% vs. Server
2 T2 Medium Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 10 0.00 1.75 n/a 79 50.00% vs. Server
2 T3 HMC Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 46 0.00 2.00 n/a 0 0.00% vs. Server
2 TKS 20 Stats / Compare 7 (0.00%) 121 0.14 0.71 482 14.29% vs. Server
2 VAE Type B Stats / Compare 8 (12.50%) 42 0.38 0.38 188 62.50% vs. Server
1 Cruiser I Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 88 0.50 0.00 n/a 164 0.00% vs. Server
1 Fiat 3000 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 354 3.00 2.00 3,441 100.00% vs. Server
1 FT Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 21 0.25 0.25 76 50.00% vs. Server
1 K-housenka Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 0 0.00 3.00 n/a 261 100.00% vs. Server
1 L.Tr. Stats / Compare 9 (0.00%) 58 0.56 0.44 n/a 56 33.33% vs. Server
1 Medium I Stats / Compare 5 (0.00%) 28 0.20 0.20 165 60.00% vs. Server
1 MS-1 Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 84 1.00 0.50 312 50.00% vs. Server
1 NC-31 Stats / Compare 3 (0.00%) 0 0.00 0.00 n/a 235 66.67% vs. Server
1 R. Otsu Stats / Compare 15 (33.33%) 38 0.33 0.53 263 80.00% vs. Server
1 Strv fm/21 Stats / Compare 3 (66.67%) 19 0.33 0.33 211 66.67% vs. Server

Gold cost of prem vehicles: 0
USD Value: $0.00

Creadits spent on regular vhicles: 0
Credits to gold: 0

Total Gold: 0
Total USD: $0.00

1 gold = 400 credits | 250 gold =$1.00 USD
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