Players XminusTen    

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Players Tanks: 212 All Tanks   |   Recent Tanks
Tier Nation Tank Type Battles (Survived%) Damage Frags Spotted Mastery WN8 Win Other Players
9 M103 Stats / Compare 90 (20.00%) 513 0.20 0.59 196 40.00% vs. Server
9 Obj. 283 Stats / Compare 6 (33.33%) 304 0.00 1.17 403,285 50.00% vs. Server
9 Patton Tank Stats / Compare 12 (8.33%) 430 0.00 0.33 650,158 41.67% vs. Server
8 Chrysler K Stats / Compare 20 (25.00%) 460 0.15 0.45 n/a 280 50.00% vs. Server
8 FV4202 Stats / Compare 74 (27.03%) 457 0.35 0.55 376 50.00% vs. Server
8 JgTig.8,8 cm Stats / Compare 44 (22.73%) 553 0.41 0.34 311 31.82% vs. Server
8 Löwe Stats / Compare 38 (26.32%) 326 0.13 0.61 252 57.89% vs. Server
8 Strv S1 Stats / Compare 45 (15.56%) 411 0.22 0.49 181 46.67% vs. Server
8 T-44-100 Stats / Compare 11 (18.18%) 201 0.18 1.00 n/a 2 36.36% vs. Server
8 T26E4 Stats / Compare 207 (25.60%) 524 0.39 0.61 361 37.68% vs. Server
8 T26E5 P Stats / Compare 10 (20.00%) 345 0.10 0.50 284 60.00% vs. Server
8 T32 Stats / Compare 178 (19.10%) 585 0.30 0.85 368 38.76% vs. Server
8 T34 Stats / Compare 127 (22.05%) 518 0.33 0.50 373 44.88% vs. Server
8 T69 Stats / Compare 26 (26.92%) 253 0.31 0.58 63 42.31% vs. Server
8 Tiger II Stats / Compare 124 (15.32%) 468 0.25 0.77 302 45.16% vs. Server
8 TS-54 Stats / Compare 34 (11.76%) 302 0.18 0.38 379,946 35.29% vs. Server
8 WZ-120-1 FT Stats / Compare 57 (14.04%) 451 0.25 0.49 193 43.86% vs. Server
7 E 25 Stats / Compare 115 (11.30%) 363 0.37 1.64 214 39.13% vs. Server
7 M12 Stats / Compare 15 (33.33%) 393 0.40 0.00 194 33.33% vs. Server
7 Super Hellcat Stats / Compare 65 (21.54%) 333 0.23 0.51 163 40.00% vs. Server
7 T20 Stats / Compare 125 (24.80%) 444 0.37 0.82 398 43.20% vs. Server
7 T25 AT Stats / Compare 50 (16.00%) 419 0.36 0.72 334 46.00% vs. Server
7 T25/2 Stats / Compare 176 (16.48%) 405 0.29 0.93 355 46.59% vs. Server
7 T29 Stats / Compare 236 (19.07%) 611 0.42 1.30 524 44.49% vs. Server
7 T71 CMCD Stats / Compare 15 (26.67%) 190 0.13 0.93 159 46.67% vs. Server
7 T71 DA Stats / Compare 77 (11.69%) 285 0.32 1.17 363 48.05% vs. Server
7 Tiger I Stats / Compare 144 (22.92%) 628 0.46 1.01 570 41.67% vs. Server
6 AMX 13 F3 Stats / Compare 29 (31.03%) 230 0.17 0.00 34 31.03% vs. Server
6 ARL 44 Stats / Compare 71 (22.54%) 315 0.28 0.69 370 50.70% vs. Server
6 AT 8 Stats / Compare 69 (42.03%) 444 0.62 0.81 692 53.62% vs. Server
6 Churchill VII Stats / Compare 96 (29.17%) 344 0.48 0.46 454 51.04% vs. Server
6 Cromwell Stats / Compare 75 (5.33%) 289 0.37 0.93 315 44.00% vs. Server
6 Crusader Stats / Compare 107 (12.15%) 215 0.27 1.22 414 47.66% vs. Server
6 Fury Stats / Compare 153 (26.80%) 277 0.27 0.58 344 49.67% vs. Server
6 FV304 Stats / Compare 27 (25.93%) 211 0.11 0.00 128 44.44% vs. Server
6 Hellcat Stats / Compare 156 (16.67%) 335 0.35 1.37 361 45.51% vs. Server
6 HT No. VI Stats / Compare 6 (16.67%) 157 0.00 1.00 n/a 257 66.67% vs. Server
6 Hummel Stats / Compare 23 (30.43%) 427 0.39 0.00 401 43.48% vs. Server
6 Jackson Stats / Compare 119 (15.13%) 437 0.42 0.62 492 38.66% vs. Server
6 KV-1S Stats / Compare 25 (16.00%) 371 0.56 1.56 574 44.00% vs. Server
6 KV-2 Stats / Compare 55 (29.09%) 439 0.51 0.73 537 45.45% vs. Server
6 KV-85 Stats / Compare 15 (40.00%) 503 0.60 0.20 841 73.33% vs. Server
6 M44 Stats / Compare 29 (27.59%) 447 0.38 0.07 505 41.38% vs. Server
6 M4A3E2 Stats / Compare 123 (23.58%) 351 0.47 0.89 447 42.28% vs. Server
6 M4A3E8 Stats / Compare 68 (20.59%) 277 0.35 1.07 311 45.59% vs. Server
6 M6 Stats / Compare 166 (22.89%) 433 0.46 0.75 542 44.58% vs. Server
6 Nashorn Stats / Compare 19 (26.32%) 255 0.26 0.32 126 36.84% vs. Server
6 Pawlack Tank Stats / Compare 22 (13.64%) 168 0.09 0.45 n/a 177,753 31.82% vs. Server
6 Super Chaffee Stats / Compare 39 (10.26%) 204 0.10 0.92 121,269 51.28% vs. Server
6 T-150 Stats / Compare 32 (31.25%) 423 0.59 0.50 487 40.63% vs. Server
6 T-50-2 Stats / Compare 46 (6.52%) 219 0.13 1.09 332 47.83% vs. Server
6 T21 Stats / Compare 62 (17.74%) 205 0.27 1.10 512 62.90% vs. Server
6 T37 Stats / Compare 65 (18.46%) 199 0.15 0.72 340 52.31% vs. Server
6 T78 Stats / Compare 14 (7.14%) 241 0.29 1.14 65 28.57% vs. Server
6 Thunderbolt Stats / Compare 65 (18.46%) 250 0.26 0.71 169 40.00% vs. Server
6 Tiger 131 Stats / Compare 11 (0.00%) 261 0.18 0.45 n/a 131 27.27% vs. Server
6 TOG II* Stats / Compare 236 (27.12%) 428 0.53 0.52 473 39.41% vs. Server
6 VK 28.01 105 Stats / Compare 34 (14.71%) 152 0.15 1.09 88,106 44.12% vs. Server
6 VK 30.02 M Stats / Compare 53 (26.42%) 312 0.42 0.64 350 43.40% vs. Server
6 VK 36.01 H Stats / Compare 95 (22.11%) 445 0.49 0.93 544 38.95% vs. Server
5 AMX 13 AM Stats / Compare 64 (32.81%) 292 0.38 0.02 369 42.19% vs. Server
5 AT 2 Stats / Compare 36 (22.22%) 332 0.67 0.92 632 41.67% vs. Server
5 Škoda T 24 Stats / Compare 27 (11.11%) 200 0.26 0.63 313 44.44% vs. Server
5 BDR G1 B Stats / Compare 73 (19.18%) 370 0.60 0.63 545 35.62% vs. Server
5 Bishop Stats / Compare 30 (40.00%) 292 0.30 0.07 580 63.33% vs. Server
5 Cavalier Stats / Compare 15 (13.33%) 233 0.33 0.67 283,156 60.00% vs. Server
5 Chaffee Stats / Compare 46 (19.57%) 180 0.26 0.87 460 54.35% vs. Server
5 Churchill I Stats / Compare 58 (22.41%) 438 0.74 0.64 820 44.83% vs. Server
5 Churchill III Stats / Compare 39 (33.33%) 306 0.41 0.77 434 41.03% vs. Server
5 Covenanter Stats / Compare 104 (18.27%) 156 0.40 0.95 380 35.58% vs. Server
5 DS PZInż Stats / Compare 17 (11.76%) 184 0.18 0.41 n/a 207,214 35.29% vs. Server
5 Excelsior Stats / Compare 10 (20.00%) 174 0.20 0.60 171 50.00% vs. Server
5 Grille Stats / Compare 24 (20.83%) 262 0.42 0.04 301 41.67% vs. Server
5 KV-1 Stats / Compare 121 (27.27%) 374 0.65 0.66 608 40.50% vs. Server
5 KV-1SA Stats / Compare 11 (27.27%) 258 0.55 0.55 391,076 54.55% vs. Server
5 leFH18B2 Stats / Compare 119 (40.34%) 298 0.55 0.20 444 50.42% vs. Server
5 Leopard Stats / Compare 46 (6.52%) 144 0.22 1.09 293 47.83% vs. Server
5 M10 RBFM Stats / Compare 64 (18.75%) 257 0.42 0.44 314 43.75% vs. Server
5 M41 HMC Stats / Compare 56 (25.00%) 256 0.23 0.04 113 30.36% vs. Server
5 M4A1 Stats / Compare 162 (16.05%) 284 0.51 1.06 501 41.98% vs. Server
5 M7 Stats / Compare 81 (11.11%) 187 0.23 1.44 453 46.91% vs. Server
5 Pz. IV F2 Stats / Compare 9 (44.44%) +1 350 -29.31 0.89 -0.11 0.33 -0.04 554,727 -63,620.36 66.67% -8.33% vs. Server
5 Pz. IV hydr. Stats / Compare 42 (21.43%) 215 0.40 0.38 364 50.00% vs. Server
5 Pz.Sfl. IVc Stats / Compare 32 (6.25%) 317 0.34 0.72 473 40.63% vs. Server
5 Ram II Stats / Compare 129 (24.03%) 213 0.43 0.84 363 47.29% vs. Server
5 S35 CA Stats / Compare 66 (19.70%) 368 0.61 0.64 642 46.97% vs. Server
5 SU-122A Stats / Compare 17 (17.65%) 195 0.18 0.06 148 23.53% vs. Server
5 SU-85 Stats / Compare 23 (13.04%) 267 0.39 0.91 468 52.17% vs. Server
5 T-34S Stats / Compare 16 (18.75%) 243 0.44 1.13 403 43.75% vs. Server
5 T1 Heavy Stats / Compare 140 (20.00%) 322 0.50 1.05 512 46.43% vs. Server
5 T14 Stats / Compare 225 (28.00%) 260 0.57 1.02 399 47.56% vs. Server
5 T67 Stats / Compare 106 (10.38%) 284 0.47 1.58 390 40.57% vs. Server
5 Valiant Stats / Compare 24 (33.33%) 308 0.58 0.38 605,139 37.50% vs. Server
5 VK 30.01 H Stats / Compare 111 (19.82%) 315 0.58 1.13 499 46.85% vs. Server
5 Wolverine Stats / Compare 107 (18.69%) 289 0.50 0.82 481 45.79% vs. Server
4 14TP Stats / Compare 11 (27.27%) 177 0.36 0.82 481 36.36% vs. Server
4 Alecto Stats / Compare 43 (13.95%) 195 0.42 1.14 329 41.86% vs. Server
4 AMX 105 AM Stats / Compare 48 (47.92%) 277 0.75 0.15 1,013 60.42% vs. Server
4 AMX 40 Stats / Compare 33 (21.21%) 94 0.09 0.18 219 48.48% vs. Server
4 B1 Stats / Compare 99 (22.22%) 206 0.54 1.03 589 51.52% vs. Server
4 Birch Gun Stats / Compare 74 (36.49%) 206 0.46 0.09 643 52.70% vs. Server
4 Chi-He Stats / Compare 19 (5.26%) 170 0.32 0.68 322 21.05% vs. Server
4 Cruiser IV Stats / Compare 65 (18.46%) 136 0.35 1.17 320 44.62% vs. Server
4 D.W. 2 Stats / Compare 100 (22.00%) +1 155 -1.56 0.39 0.85 -0.01 295 -0.91 48.00% +0.53% vs. Server
4 Lago Stats / Compare 18 (22.22%) 314 0.67 0.78 993 50.00% vs. Server
4 Luchs Stats / Compare 48 (4.17%) 106 0.13 1.77 137 43.75% vs. Server
4 M3 Lee Stats / Compare 57 (31.58%) 146 0.35 0.61 395 54.39% vs. Server
4 M37 Stats / Compare 72 (25.00%) 138 0.31 0.18 194 38.89% vs. Server
4 M5 Stuart Stats / Compare 128 (17.19%) 80 0.18 1.36 73 40.63% vs. Server
4 M5A1 Stuart Stats / Compare 41 (12.20%) 124 0.24 1.12 230 41.46% vs. Server
4 M8A1 Stats / Compare 112 (19.64%) 212 0.52 1.22 433 48.21% vs. Server
4 Marder 38T Stats / Compare 52 (19.23%) 275 0.67 0.52 677 59.62% vs. Server
4 Matilda Stats / Compare 67 (53.73%) 244 0.54 0.58 643 56.72% vs. Server
4 P26/40 Stats / Compare 6 (16.67%) 187 0.00 0.50 n/a 286 33.33% vs. Server
4 Pz. B2 Stats / Compare 9 (33.33%) 329 1.22 1.00 955 66.67% vs. Server
4 Pz. III J Stats / Compare 39 (7.69%) 123 0.26 1.46 196 43.59% vs. Server
4 Pz.Sfl. IC Stats / Compare 19 (10.53%) 187 0.16 0.42 355,088 31.58% vs. Server
4 Pz.Sfl. IVb Stats / Compare 30 (40.00%) 315 0.80 0.07 947 50.00% vs. Server
4 SAu 40 Stats / Compare 57 (29.82%) 167 0.37 0.53 256 43.86% vs. Server
4 Sav m/43 Stats / Compare 23 (26.09%) 150 0.30 0.13 166 39.13% vs. Server
4 ST vz. 39 Stats / Compare 17 (5.88%) 193 0.53 0.41 436 41.18% vs. Server
4 St.Pz. II Stats / Compare 42 (26.19%) 149 0.36 0.07 292 47.62% vs. Server
4 StuG III B Stats / Compare 12 (0.00%) 231 0.33 0.42 468 50.00% vs. Server
4 SU-5 Stats / Compare 41 (46.34%) 268 0.44 0.20 557 51.22% vs. Server
4 SU-76M Stats / Compare 35 (14.29%) 165 0.40 0.49 458 60.00% vs. Server
4 SU-85B Stats / Compare 35 (25.71%) 301 0.63 0.51 629 45.71% vs. Server
4 T-28 Stats / Compare 55 (12.73%) 265 0.64 1.31 771 43.64% vs. Server
4 T-34 1941 Stats / Compare 12 (8.33%) 114 0.08 0.42 97,615 50.00% vs. Server
4 T40 Stats / Compare 57 (19.30%) 330 0.95 0.79 783 43.86% vs. Server
4 T6 Medium Stats / Compare 17 (0.00%) 249 0.35 0.41 310,610 23.53% vs. Server
4 T82 HMC Stats / Compare 22 (31.82%) 181 0.23 0.14 369 45.45% vs. Server
4 Valentine AT Stats / Compare 70 (34.29%) 192 0.89 0.86 558 51.43% vs. Server
4 VK 20.01 D Stats / Compare 96 (16.67%) 120 0.34 0.86 147 37.50% vs. Server
3 10TP Stats / Compare 10 (30.00%) 213 0.20 0.60 744 50.00% vs. Server
3 BT-5 Stats / Compare 11 (18.18%) 268 0.73 0.45 277,696 36.36% vs. Server
3 BT-7 art. Stats / Compare 21 (14.29%) 174 0.29 0.81 591 38.10% vs. Server
3 Chi-Ha Stats / Compare 18 (16.67%) 224 0.67 1.11 726 44.44% vs. Server
3 Cruiser III Stats / Compare 74 (16.22%) 84 0.34 1.62 158 40.54% vs. Server
3 D2 Stats / Compare 53 (39.62%) 125 0.43 0.74 303 43.40% vs. Server
3 Ikv 72 Stats / Compare 10 (20.00%) 329 0.90 0.10 1,047 50.00% vs. Server
3 Locust Stats / Compare 111 (27.03%) 150 0.48 1.00 486 46.85% vs. Server
3 Lorr. 39L AM Stats / Compare 54 (40.74%) 158 0.63 0.15 401 50.00% vs. Server
3 LT vz. 38 Stats / Compare 16 (18.75%) 121 0.38 0.44 298 37.50% vs. Server
3 LTP Stats / Compare 77 (23.38%) 135 0.45 0.78 442 45.45% vs. Server
3 M15/42 Stats / Compare 6 (33.33%) 397 0.17 1.33 1,252 50.00% vs. Server
3 M2 Medium Stats / Compare 56 (21.43%) 117 0.50 1.13 318 50.00% vs. Server
3 M3 Stuart Stats / Compare 56 (19.64%) 109 0.34 1.55 294 44.64% vs. Server
3 M7 Priest Stats / Compare 76 (27.63%) 211 0.67 0.24 439 43.42% vs. Server
3 Marder II Stats / Compare 15 (13.33%) 208 0.80 1.20 498 26.67% vs. Server
3 Medium III Stats / Compare 19 (26.32%) 136 0.68 0.95 542 63.16% vs. Server
3 Pz. II G Stats / Compare 62 (32.26%) 94 0.15 1.06 182 45.16% vs. Server
3 Pz. III E Stats / Compare 6 (16.67%) 204 0.33 1.00 878 66.67% vs. Server
3 Pz. IV A Stats / Compare 12 (33.33%) 167 0.58 1.42 622 58.33% vs. Server
3 Pzw. 39 Stats / Compare 10 (30.00%) 173 0.20 0.60 241,653 50.00% vs. Server
3 Sahariano Stats / Compare 8 (12.50%) 221 0.13 1.00 n/a 261,973 50.00% vs. Server
3 Sexton II Stats / Compare 65 (47.69%) 152 0.55 0.15 552 47.69% vs. Server
3 Somua S35 Stats / Compare 20 (35.00%) 264 0.75 1.25 1,173 70.00% vs. Server
3 Strv m/40L Stats / Compare 13 (15.38%) 171 0.15 0.23 n/a 403 30.77% vs. Server
3 SU-26 Stats / Compare 32 (28.13%) 69 0.16 0.06 n/a 0 28.13% vs. Server
3 T-116 Stats / Compare 18 (22.22%) 172 0.28 0.72 558 38.89% vs. Server
3 T-29 Stats / Compare 15 (26.67%) 266 0.53 0.40 883 40.00% vs. Server
3 T-46 Stats / Compare 28 (17.86%) 183 0.64 1.18 691 35.71% vs. Server
3 T18 HMC Stats / Compare 22 (31.82%) 118 0.36 0.00 332 45.45% vs. Server
3 T3 Convert. Stats / Compare 12 (16.67%) 257 0.42 0.58 241,739 66.67% vs. Server
3 T56 GMC Stats / Compare 92 (21.74%) 129 0.57 0.91 260 47.83% vs. Server
3 Toldi III Stats / Compare 26 (23.08%) 135 0.27 0.62 495 42.31% vs. Server
3 UE 57 Stats / Compare 29 (31.03%) 152 0.62 0.76 351 48.28% vs. Server
3 Valentine Stats / Compare 17 (35.29%) 286 0.53 0.18 996 41.18% vs. Server
2 7TP Stats / Compare 13 (23.08%) 234 0.31 0.31 905 46.15% vs. Server
2 AMR 35 Stats / Compare 26 (26.92%) 211 0.42 0.54 952 34.62% vs. Server
2 BT-2 Stats / Compare 10 (30.00%) 194 0.50 0.60 n/a 1,027 60.00% vs. Server
2 Cruiser II Stats / Compare 12 (8.33%) 123 0.25 0.42 n/a 250 16.67% vs. Server
2 D1 Stats / Compare 51 (27.45%) 92 0.47 0.73 295 45.10% vs. Server
2 FCM 36 Stats / Compare 20 (45.00%) 154 0.30 0.10 599 40.00% vs. Server
2 FT AC Stats / Compare 44 (36.36%) 171 0.93 0.50 618 54.55% vs. Server
2 FT BS Stats / Compare 56 (30.36%) 126 0.52 0.09 576 48.21% vs. Server
2 G.Pz. Mk. VI Stats / Compare 17 (23.53%) 75 0.29 0.00 238 41.18% vs. Server
2 Ha-Go Stats / Compare 7 (42.86%) 140 0.57 1.00 531 28.57% vs. Server
2 L6/40 Stats / Compare 23 (17.39%) 153 0.26 1.17 635 47.83% vs. Server
2 Light VIC Stats / Compare 25 (20.00%) 111 0.28 1.00 527 52.00% vs. Server
2 Loyd GC Stats / Compare 55 (49.09%) 136 0.76 0.45 931 60.00% vs. Server
2 LT vz. 35 Stats / Compare 14 (50.00%) 98 0.43 0.79 328 42.86% vs. Server
2 M14/41 Stats / Compare 12 (16.67%) 290 0.58 0.58 1,207 41.67% vs. Server
2 M2 Stats / Compare 29 (24.14%) 221 0.72 1.59 1,133 51.72% vs. Server
2 M2 Light Stats / Compare 215 (27.44%) 79 0.33 1.06 161 44.65% vs. Server
2 MKA Stats / Compare 24 (33.33%) 216 0.63 0.96 989 58.33% vs. Server
2 Pvlvv fm/42 Stats / Compare 11 (27.27%) 192 0.55 0.00 912 63.64% vs. Server
2 Pz. II Stats / Compare 66 (34.85%) 121 0.55 0.88 556 57.58% vs. Server
2 Pz. II D Stats / Compare 15 (13.33%) 40 0.20 0.07 n/a 0 33.33% vs. Server
2 Strv m/38 Stats / Compare 12 (16.67%) 133 0.33 0.92 598 58.33% vs. Server
2 T-26G FT Stats / Compare 10 (20.00%) 147 0.30 0.60 396 40.00% vs. Server
2 T-45 Stats / Compare 13 (46.15%) 220 0.31 0.31 1,026 46.15% vs. Server
2 T1 HMC Stats / Compare 72 (43.06%) 95 0.57 0.18 460 58.33% vs. Server
2 T2 Light Stats / Compare 80 (20.00%) 82 0.25 1.36 211 42.50% vs. Server
2 T2 Medium Stats / Compare 104 (21.15%) 90 0.46 1.02 276 47.12% vs. Server
2 T3 HMC Stats / Compare 107 (24.30%) 119 0.84 0.93 372 47.66% vs. Server
2 T7 Car Stats / Compare 53 (22.64%) 85 0.25 0.83 345 50.94% vs. Server
2 Te-Ke Stats / Compare 14 (21.43%) 68 0.29 0.93 268 57.14% vs. Server
2 TKS 20 Stats / Compare 20 (30.00%) 108 0.20 0.65 407 35.00% vs. Server
2 UC 2-pdr Stats / Compare 61 (24.59%) +1 113 -0.54 0.57 -0.01 0.69 -0.01 399 -11.58 57.38% -0.96% vs. Server
1 4TP Stats / Compare 32 (28.13%) 104 0.34 0.69 461 50.00% vs. Server
1 Cruiser I Stats / Compare 67 (35.82%) 97 0.54 0.97 294 47.76% vs. Server
1 Fiat 3000 Stats / Compare 21 (33.33%) 178 0.81 0.48 890 28.57% vs. Server
1 FT Stats / Compare 58 (41.38%) 81 0.40 0.84 427 62.07% vs. Server
1 K-housenka Stats / Compare 13 (30.77%) 85 0.69 0.77 310 46.15% vs. Server
1 L.Tr. Stats / Compare 55 (38.18%) 120 0.80 1.33 595 52.73% vs. Server
1 Medium I Stats / Compare 66 (25.76%) 74 0.52 0.33 289 56.06% vs. Server
1 MS-1 Stats / Compare 63 (36.51%) 161 1.02 0.86 821 41.27% vs. Server
1 NC-31 Stats / Compare 17 (35.29%) 113 0.53 0.71 504 52.94% vs. Server
1 R. Otsu Stats / Compare 39 (33.33%) 129 1.13 0.92 757 46.15% vs. Server
1 Strv fm/21 Stats / Compare 21 (19.05%) 41 0.19 0.52 0 28.57% vs. Server
1 T1 Stats / Compare 82 (26.83%) 60 0.29 1.04 106 40.24% vs. Server

Gold cost of prem vehicles: 0
USD Value: $0.00

Creadits spent on regular vhicles: 0
Credits to gold: 0

Total Gold: 0
Total USD: $0.00

1 gold = 400 credits | 250 gold =$1.00 USD
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