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1,260

Players Tanks: 209 All Tanks   |   Recent Tanks
Tier Nation Tank Type Battles (Survived%) Damage Frags Spotted Mastery WN8 Win Other Players
10 Badger Stats / Compare 11 (18.18%) 1,588 0.73 0.91 998 45.45% vs. Server
10 FV215b 183 Stats / Compare 184 (26.09%) 1,722 0.97 0.72 1,300 48.91% vs. Server
10 IS-4 Stats / Compare 217 (21.66%) 1,674 0.85 1.21 1,339 47.47% vs. Server
10 T57 Heavy Stats / Compare 2 (50.00%) 2,509 1.50 2.00 2,229 50.00% vs. Server
9 212A Stats / Compare 40 (35.00%) 1,273 0.70 0.03 1,122 47.50% vs. Server
9 E 50 Stats / Compare 42 (9.52%) 972 0.67 0.93 727 42.86% vs. Server
9 ST-I Stats / Compare 479 (31.52%) 1,602 0.98 1.00 1,664 50.10% vs. Server
9 T49 Stats / Compare 140 (7.14%) 560 0.35 2.24 597 45.00% vs. Server
9 T54E1 Stats / Compare 248 (27.42%) 1,573 1.10 0.90 1,541 50.40% vs. Server
9 Tortoise Stats / Compare 165 (32.73%) 1,377 0.95 0.51 1,163 48.48% vs. Server
9 VK 45.02 B Stats / Compare 98 (21.43%) 1,294 0.66 0.89 1,083 44.90% vs. Server
8 110 Stats / Compare 148 (18.92%) 979 0.57 0.90 1,007 49.32% vs. Server
8 AMX 50 100 Stats / Compare 300 (22.33%) 1,294 1.02 1.22 1,458 47.33% vs. Server
8 AMX AC 48 Stats / Compare 261 (19.16%) 1,230 0.92 0.89 1,382 43.68% vs. Server
8 AMX CDC Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 667 1.00 1.00 n/a 868 100.00% vs. Server
8 AT 15 Stats / Compare 174 (29.31%) 1,263 0.91 0.63 1,403 47.70% vs. Server
8 Ferdinand Stats / Compare 141 (24.11%) 1,215 0.77 0.77 1,177 48.23% vs. Server
8 IS-3 Stats / Compare 537 (31.47%) 1,329 0.94 1.10 1,705 54.56% vs. Server
8 IS-3A Stats / Compare 100 (28.00%) 1,120 0.73 1.05 1,020 49.00% vs. Server
8 JgTig.8,8 cm Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 1,761 1.50 2.50 2,599 50.00% vs. Server
8 KV-4 Stats / Compare 183 (29.51%) 1,009 0.76 0.48 1,186 55.74% vs. Server
8 KV-5 Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 900 0.00 1.50 n/a 632 0.00% vs. Server
8 LTTB Stats / Compare 36 (8.33%) 469 0.39 3.94 571 33.33% vs. Server
8 Lynx 6x6 Stats / Compare 8 (12.50%) 167 0.50 1.88 10 37.50% vs. Server
8 M 41 90 GF Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 1,541 0.00 2.00 2,264 100.00% vs. Server
8 M41 Bulldog Stats / Compare 319 (11.29%) 567 0.53 2.84 907 47.02% vs. Server
8 M46 KR Stats / Compare 9 (22.22%) 925 1.00 1.00 1,077 44.44% vs. Server
8 O-Ho Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 685 0.50 0.25 448 25.00% vs. Server
8 Panther 8,8 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 512 0.00 0.00 n/a 305 0.00% vs. Server
8 Panther II Stats / Compare 77 (25.97%) 976 0.69 1.12 1,230 50.65% vs. Server
8 Pz. 58 Mutz Stats / Compare 102 (19.61%) 969 0.68 1.55 1,192 48.04% vs. Server
8 SU-14-2 Stats / Compare 290 (33.45%) 1,163 0.82 0.05 1,244 43.79% vs. Server
8 T-34-2 Stats / Compare 47 (34.04%) 870 0.74 1.15 1,268 65.96% vs. Server
8 T-54 mod. 1 Stats / Compare 2 (50.00%) 650 0.00 1.00 n/a 697 100.00% vs. Server
8 T26E4 Stats / Compare 7 (0.00%) 1,032 0.86 0.86 1,167 28.57% vs. Server
8 T28 Stats / Compare 54 (24.07%) 1,194 0.93 0.57 1,320 51.85% vs. Server
8 T28 Prot. Stats / Compare 299 (28.76%) 1,240 0.96 0.45 1,412 52.17% vs. Server
8 T69 Stats / Compare 275 (26.91%) 1,245 0.99 1.24 1,709 54.18% vs. Server
8 Tiger II Stats / Compare 178 (24.16%) 1,213 0.79 0.78 1,404 52.25% vs. Server
8 VK 45.02 A Stats / Compare 196 (23.47%) 1,100 0.88 1.12 1,439 54.08% vs. Server
7 A-44 Stats / Compare 71 (15.49%) 833 0.83 1.66 1,385 54.93% vs. Server
7 AMX 13 75 Stats / Compare 72 (13.89%) 537 0.42 1.68 850 40.28% vs. Server
7 AMX AC 46 Stats / Compare 140 (27.14%) 882 0.93 0.73 1,241 42.14% vs. Server
7 AMX M4 45 Stats / Compare 134 (19.40%) 802 0.57 1.01 933 41.79% vs. Server
7 AT 7 Stats / Compare 168 (44.64%) 1,137 1.08 0.75 1,639 61.31% vs. Server
7 Aufkl.Panther Stats / Compare 9 (0.00%) 469 0.33 1.11 692 33.33% vs. Server
7 Black Prince Stats / Compare 39 (30.77%) 693 0.69 0.64 911 53.85% vs. Server
7 Comet Stats / Compare 43 (18.60%) 697 0.79 1.44 969 39.53% vs. Server
7 Crusader SP Stats / Compare 16 (18.75%) 532 0.69 0.19 546 25.00% vs. Server
7 E 25 Stats / Compare 22 (9.09%) 724 0.68 1.50 912 54.55% vs. Server
7 IS Stats / Compare 260 (26.54%) 968 1.03 0.95 1,437 48.85% vs. Server
7 IS-2 Stats / Compare 140 (23.57%) 904 0.93 1.09 1,166 47.86% vs. Server
7 KV-3 Stats / Compare 82 (32.93%) 812 0.96 0.51 995 53.66% vs. Server
7 Lorr. 155 50 Stats / Compare 106 (38.68%) 750 0.72 0.15 891 46.23% vs. Server
7 M12 Stats / Compare 186 (42.47%) 873 0.96 0.06 1,181 47.31% vs. Server
7 O-Ni Stats / Compare 77 (32.47%) 1,069 0.95 1.12 1,422 53.25% vs. Server
7 Panther Stats / Compare 130 (27.69%) 812 0.90 1.48 1,366 50.77% vs. Server
7 S-51 Stats / Compare 543 (35.36%) 916 0.80 0.05 1,142 49.91% vs. Server
7 Scorpion Stats / Compare 7 (0.00%) 547 0.57 0.71 n/a 468 28.57% vs. Server
7 SP I C Stats / Compare 104 (14.42%) 707 0.63 2.06 1,365 56.73% vs. Server
7 SU-152 Stats / Compare 112 (24.11%) 870 0.90 0.41 1,145 46.43% vs. Server
7 Super Hellcat Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 739 0.00 2.00 920 100.00% vs. Server
7 T-34-1 Stats / Compare 109 (25.69%) 805 0.88 1.38 1,228 48.62% vs. Server
7 T25/2 Stats / Compare 127 (29.13%) 1,041 0.98 0.70 1,587 54.33% vs. Server
7 T28 HTC Stats / Compare 46 (28.26%) 865 0.65 0.65 1,076 43.48% vs. Server
7 T29 Stats / Compare 166 (36.14%) 1,089 1.16 1.11 1,550 56.63% vs. Server
7 T71 DA Stats / Compare 164 (14.02%) 684 0.65 2.13 1,436 53.05% vs. Server
7 Tiger (P) Stats / Compare 234 (36.75%) 1,069 0.88 1.02 1,582 52.56% vs. Server
7 Tiger I Stats / Compare 101 (27.72%) 1,077 1.11 0.92 1,604 48.51% vs. Server
7 VK 45.03 Stats / Compare 2 (50.00%) 1,495 1.00 1.50 n/a 2,029 0.00% vs. Server
6 A-43 Stats / Compare 84 (9.52%) 515 0.88 2.62 1,092 59.52% vs. Server
6 AMX 12 t Stats / Compare 94 (19.15%) 469 0.62 2.12 1,300 52.13% vs. Server
6 AMX 13 F3 Stats / Compare 103 (42.72%) 719 0.95 0.06 1,108 51.46% vs. Server
6 ARL 44 Stats / Compare 244 (30.74%) 699 0.90 0.82 1,349 51.23% vs. Server
6 ARL V39 Stats / Compare 137 (21.90%) 522 0.61 0.41 770 42.34% vs. Server
6 AT 8 Stats / Compare 104 (32.69%) 766 0.99 0.46 1,389 48.08% vs. Server
6 Chi-To Stats / Compare 85 (18.82%) 571 0.58 1.19 1,039 51.76% vs. Server
6 Churchill VII Stats / Compare 49 (26.53%) 711 1.12 0.88 1,427 48.98% vs. Server
6 Cromwell Stats / Compare 138 (16.67%) 514 0.88 1.72 989 48.55% vs. Server
6 Crusader Stats / Compare 61 (14.75%) 312 0.67 1.49 882 55.74% vs. Server
6 FV304 Stats / Compare 262 (33.59%) 556 0.80 0.31 960 50.76% vs. Server
6 Hellcat Stats / Compare 151 (17.88%) 601 0.84 1.32 1,007 49.67% vs. Server
6 HT No. VI Stats / Compare 18 (44.44%) 697 1.00 0.78 1,196 50.00% vs. Server
6 Ikv 65 II Stats / Compare 23 (13.04%) 435 0.57 1.13 545 34.78% vs. Server
6 KV-2 Stats / Compare 429 (33.57%) 865 1.12 0.80 1,741 55.94% vs. Server
6 KV-85 Stats / Compare 184 (24.46%) 578 0.83 0.84 945 48.91% vs. Server
6 M44 Stats / Compare 89 (41.57%) 624 0.90 0.10 1,066 49.44% vs. Server
6 M4A3E2 Stats / Compare 80 (21.25%) 601 0.86 0.91 1,103 45.00% vs. Server
6 MT-25 Stats / Compare 102 (11.76%) 222 0.35 3.49 425 43.14% vs. Server
6 O-I Stats / Compare 248 (32.66%) 855 1.25 0.79 1,663 50.81% vs. Server
6 SU-100 Stats / Compare 123 (16.26%) 730 0.96 0.98 1,319 49.59% vs. Server
6 SU-100Y Stats / Compare 95 (23.16%) 639 0.94 0.49 1,168 55.79% vs. Server
6 T-150 Stats / Compare 165 (29.70%) 625 0.99 0.91 1,164 55.15% vs. Server
6 T-50-2 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 460 1.00 4.00 1,408 100.00% vs. Server
6 T21 Stats / Compare 156 (8.97%) 304 0.35 1.73 744 52.56% vs. Server
6 T37 Stats / Compare 163 (11.04%) 523 0.63 2.68 1,504 46.63% vs. Server
6 TOG II* Stats / Compare 79 (43.04%) 774 1.13 0.53 1,497 55.70% vs. Server
6 Type 58 Stats / Compare 184 (22.28%) 659 0.99 1.70 1,457 52.17% vs. Server
6 VK 28.01 Stats / Compare 77 (10.39%) 259 0.29 2.19 508 44.16% vs. Server
6 VK 30.01 P Stats / Compare 124 (22.58%) 419 0.77 1.17 738 55.65% vs. Server
6 VK 30.02 M Stats / Compare 81 (25.93%) 554 0.63 1.07 946 45.68% vs. Server
5 AMX 13 AM Stats / Compare 39 (43.59%) 359 0.69 0.00 661 53.85% vs. Server
5 AMX ELC bis Stats / Compare 60 (6.67%) 206 0.37 3.42 598 55.00% vs. Server
5 AT 2 Stats / Compare 64 (32.81%) 497 1.02 0.86 1,384 56.25% vs. Server
5 Škoda T 24 Stats / Compare 20 (20.00%) 251 0.30 0.90 605 60.00% vs. Server
5 BDR G1 B Stats / Compare 104 (18.27%) 363 0.70 0.69 596 42.31% vs. Server
5 Bishop Stats / Compare 87 (42.53%) 296 0.78 0.16 527 48.28% vs. Server
5 Chaffee Stats / Compare 80 (12.50%) 384 0.33 2.25 1,204 52.50% vs. Server
5 Chi-Nu Stats / Compare 70 (31.43%) 395 0.91 1.19 1,193 57.14% vs. Server
5 Churchill I Stats / Compare 29 (24.14%) 578 0.86 1.21 1,283 55.17% vs. Server
5 Churchill III Stats / Compare 155 (28.39%) 630 1.24 1.42 1,756 60.00% vs. Server
5 Covenanter Stats / Compare 45 (20.00%) 191 0.60 1.18 669 46.67% vs. Server
5 Excelsior Stats / Compare 7 (42.86%) 618 1.57 1.00 1,619 85.71% vs. Server
5 Ikv 103 Stats / Compare 29 (27.59%) 306 0.72 0.62 683 51.72% vs. Server
5 KV-1 Stats / Compare 245 (37.14%) 572 1.20 0.80 1,394 57.55% vs. Server
5 Leopard Stats / Compare 47 (12.77%) 233 0.47 2.15 671 46.81% vs. Server
5 M41 HMC Stats / Compare 438 (37.67%) 549 1.02 0.12 903 52.05% vs. Server
5 M4A1 Stats / Compare 58 (20.69%) 392 0.83 1.09 1,027 58.62% vs. Server
5 M7 Stats / Compare 88 (17.05%) 307 0.80 2.14 1,197 54.55% vs. Server
5 Matilda IV Stats / Compare 16 (37.50%) 452 1.25 0.44 1,020 43.75% vs. Server
5 O-I Exp. Stats / Compare 27 (18.52%) 780 1.63 1.04 1,878 59.26% vs. Server
5 P.43 Stats / Compare 13 (0.00%) 256 0.31 0.69 690 69.23% vs. Server
5 Pz. IV H Stats / Compare 224 (21.88%) 446 1.10 1.56 1,322 53.57% vs. Server
5 Ram II Stats / Compare 2 (50.00%) 464 2.00 2.00 1,505 100.00% vs. Server
5 S35 CA Stats / Compare 46 (34.78%) 470 1.09 0.74 1,215 65.22% vs. Server
5 StuG IV Stats / Compare 8 (25.00%) 401 1.25 0.88 899 25.00% vs. Server
5 SU-85 Stats / Compare 79 (27.85%) 503 1.24 0.44 1,305 56.96% vs. Server
5 SU-85I Stats / Compare 13 (23.08%) 496 1.23 0.69 1,137 38.46% vs. Server
5 T-34 Stats / Compare 81 (19.75%) 460 1.01 1.31 1,442 55.56% vs. Server
5 T14 Stats / Compare 20 (15.00%) 370 0.80 1.35 764 55.00% vs. Server
5 T67 Stats / Compare 128 (18.75%) 415 0.84 1.84 892 53.13% vs. Server
5 Type T-34 Stats / Compare 73 (24.66%) 381 0.89 1.18 1,149 54.79% vs. Server
5 VK 30.01 H Stats / Compare 36 (22.22%) 570 0.97 0.94 1,270 50.00% vs. Server
4 Alecto Stats / Compare 43 (11.63%) 251 0.74 0.91 615 46.51% vs. Server
4 AMX 40 Stats / Compare 33 (24.24%) 187 0.42 0.85 812 54.55% vs. Server
4 B1 Stats / Compare 106 (29.25%) 235 0.75 0.85 814 57.55% vs. Server
4 Birch Gun Stats / Compare 29 (41.38%) 201 0.59 0.03 570 48.28% vs. Server
4 Chi-He Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 193 1.00 1.00 728 100.00% vs. Server
4 Cruiser IV Stats / Compare 17 (23.53%) 222 0.71 1.41 928 64.71% vs. Server
4 D.W. 2 Stats / Compare 30 (36.67%) 171 0.73 0.63 388 50.00% vs. Server
4 Ke-Ho Stats / Compare 27 (11.11%) 233 0.67 1.04 687 44.44% vs. Server
4 Luchs Stats / Compare 44 (9.09%) 151 0.32 2.00 346 45.45% vs. Server
4 M3 Lee Stats / Compare 18 (22.22%) 276 0.83 0.56 1,143 66.67% vs. Server
4 M5 Stuart Stats / Compare 169 (14.20%) 157 0.49 2.30 582 49.70% vs. Server
4 M5A1 Stuart Stats / Compare 22 (18.18%) 219 0.68 1.45 745 45.45% vs. Server
4 M8A1 Stats / Compare 29 (34.48%) 292 0.55 1.03 666 44.83% vs. Server
4 P26/40 Stats / Compare 13 (30.77%) 295 1.15 1.23 915 46.15% vs. Server
4 Pz. 38 nA Stats / Compare 70 (12.86%) 99 0.31 1.87 202 50.00% vs. Server
4 Pz. B2 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 0 0.00 0.00 n/a 0 0.00% vs. Server
4 SAu 40 Stats / Compare 85 (17.65%) 272 0.76 0.53 691 47.06% vs. Server
4 SU-76M Stats / Compare 3 (66.67%) 268 0.33 0.00 888 100.00% vs. Server
4 SU-85B Stats / Compare 32 (21.88%) 469 1.13 0.94 1,432 56.25% vs. Server
4 T-28 Stats / Compare 60 (10.00%) 213 0.53 1.43 606 53.33% vs. Server
4 T-80 Stats / Compare 33 (36.36%) 127 0.45 0.76 450 63.64% vs. Server
3 AMX 38 Stats / Compare 4 (50.00%) 69 0.00 0.00 319 75.00% vs. Server
3 BT-7 art. Stats / Compare 49 (8.16%) 199 0.94 2.57 956 42.86% vs. Server
3 Chi-Ha Stats / Compare 7 (42.86%) 131 0.71 1.29 430 57.14% vs. Server
3 Chi-Ha Stats / Compare 5 (40.00%) 167 0.40 1.60 663 80.00% vs. Server
3 D2 Stats / Compare 18 (44.44%) 203 0.83 0.44 943 66.67% vs. Server
3 FCM36Pak40 Stats / Compare 3 (33.33%) 352 1.33 4.33 1,089 33.33% vs. Server
3 Ke-Ni Stats / Compare 17 (5.88%) 107 0.18 2.35 191 23.53% vs. Server
3 Lorr. 39L AM Stats / Compare 9 (66.67%) 146 0.89 0.33 490 66.67% vs. Server
3 LTP Stats / Compare 4 (50.00%) 229 0.50 1.25 971 50.00% vs. Server
3 M15/42 Stats / Compare 4 (0.00%) 362 1.00 1.50 1,413 50.00% vs. Server
3 M2 Medium Stats / Compare 7 (42.86%) 212 1.57 1.29 1,057 71.43% vs. Server
3 M3 Light Stats / Compare 1 (100.00%) 446 0.00 3.00 2,180 100.00% vs. Server
3 M3 Stuart Stats / Compare 28 (10.71%) 127 0.32 2.61 402 46.43% vs. Server
3 Marder II Stats / Compare 7 (0.00%) 162 0.57 1.00 412 57.14% vs. Server
3 Medium III Stats / Compare 3 (0.00%) 229 0.67 1.33 n/a 1,037 66.67% vs. Server
3 Pz. 38 (t) Stats / Compare 18 (16.67%) 167 0.83 1.83 635 61.11% vs. Server
3 Pz. I C Stats / Compare 55 (7.27%) 156 0.84 3.20 743 54.55% vs. Server
3 Pz. III E Stats / Compare 10 (10.00%) 154 0.60 0.90 452 40.00% vs. Server
3 Pz. S35 Stats / Compare 47 (29.79%) 344 1.38 1.15 1,364 57.45% vs. Server
3 Sexton II Stats / Compare 52 (44.23%) 141 0.62 0.15 578 57.69% vs. Server
3 T-46 Stats / Compare 15 (0.00%) 162 0.67 0.93 751 60.00% vs. Server
3 T-70 Stats / Compare 6 (16.67%) 95 0.50 0.67 224 50.00% vs. Server
3 T56 GMC Stats / Compare 43 (18.60%) 227 1.02 1.26 795 58.14% vs. Server
3 Toldi III Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 278 0.50 2.00 1,559 50.00% vs. Server
3 UE 57 Stats / Compare 13 (23.08%) 159 0.69 1.08 444 53.85% vs. Server
2 AT-1 Stats / Compare 7 (42.86%) 141 0.86 0.29 523 57.14% vs. Server
2 Chi-Ni Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 65 1.00 1.25 355 75.00% vs. Server
2 D1 Stats / Compare 6 (0.00%) 128 1.00 0.17 480 16.67% vs. Server
2 H35 Stats / Compare 54 (27.78%) 216 1.09 0.98 1,310 62.96% vs. Server
2 Ha-Go Stats / Compare 3 (33.33%) 73 0.00 0.67 346 66.67% vs. Server
2 Loyd GC Stats / Compare 14 (42.86%) 52 0.50 0.36 156 50.00% vs. Server
2 LT vz. 35 Stats / Compare 4 (0.00%) 112 0.25 0.00 n/a 357 25.00% vs. Server
2 M14/41 Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 94 0.50 1.00 263 50.00% vs. Server
2 M2 Stats / Compare 1 (100.00%) 287 2.00 2.00 2,074 100.00% vs. Server
2 M2 Light Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 94 0.50 3.00 216 0.00% vs. Server
2 Medium II Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 239 1.50 1.50 1,425 50.00% vs. Server
2 Pz. II Stats / Compare 6 (50.00%) 49 0.33 1.00 263 100.00% vs. Server
2 Pz. II D Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 10 0.00 0.00 n/a 0 0.00% vs. Server
2 T-26 Stats / Compare 9 (11.11%) 118 0.67 0.56 385 33.33% vs. Server
2 T-45 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 286 2.00 0.00 1,747 0.00% vs. Server
2 T2 Light Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 329 2.00 2.00 2,292 0.00% vs. Server
2 T2 Medium Stats / Compare 7 (28.57%) 168 0.43 1.57 927 85.71% vs. Server
2 T3 HMC Stats / Compare 56 (21.43%) 192 1.16 1.04 840 53.57% vs. Server
2 T7 Car Stats / Compare 9 (0.00%) 127 0.67 1.00 615 44.44% vs. Server
2 Te-Ke Stats / Compare 3 (0.00%) 85 0.33 0.33 218 0.00% vs. Server
2 UC 2-pdr Stats / Compare 12 (0.00%) 78 0.42 0.67 86 33.33% vs. Server
2 VAE Type B Stats / Compare 4 (50.00%) 97 0.75 0.50 503 75.00% vs. Server
1 Fiat 3000 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 280 2.00 1.00 2,214 100.00% vs. Server
1 FT Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 161 0.00 0.50 801 50.00% vs. Server
1 K-housenka Stats / Compare 2 (50.00%) 169 1.00 1.00 986 50.00% vs. Server
1 L.Tr. Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 104 0.00 2.50 n/a 395 50.00% vs. Server
1 Medium I Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 136 1.00 1.00 877 100.00% vs. Server
1 NC-31 Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 315 2.50 2.50 2,689 50.00% vs. Server
1 R. Otsu Stats / Compare 4 (50.00%) 116 0.50 1.75 776 75.00% vs. Server
1 T1 Stats / Compare 189 (27.51%) 181 1.47 2.17 1,347 57.14% vs. Server

Gold cost of prem vehicles: 0
USD Value: $0.00

Creadits spent on regular vhicles: 0
Credits to gold: 0

Total Gold: 0
Total USD: $0.00

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