Players Andyworld [ADOBE]    

1,423

1,423

Players Tanks: 205 All Tanks   |   Recent Tanks
Tier Nation Tank Type Battles (Survived%) Damage Frags Spotted Mastery WN8 Win Other Players
10 121 Stats / Compare 273 (28.57%) 2,620 1.18 1.63 2,476 54.21% vs. Server
10 AMX 13 105 Stats / Compare 218 (22.94%) 1,715 1.17 3.33 2,278 51.38% vs. Server
10 AMX 30 B Stats / Compare 87 (25.29%) 2,050 1.05 2.09 1,887 56.32% vs. Server
10 B-C 25 t Stats / Compare 1042 (26.97%) 2,461 1.51 2.25 2,576 52.88% vs. Server
10 Grille 15 Stats / Compare 453 (30.91%) 2,432 1.07 1.00 1,896 54.53% vs. Server
10 IS-7 Stats / Compare 685 (26.72%) 2,157 0.99 1.50 2,031 51.39% vs. Server
10 Leopard 1 Stats / Compare 57 (35.09%) 2,803 1.37 1.60 2,683 57.89% vs. Server
10 Obj. 140 Stats / Compare 505 (24.16%) 2,362 1.28 1.80 2,346 53.47% vs. Server
10 Obj. 260 Stats / Compare 171 (32.16%) 3,641 1.50 2.22 3,592 57.31% vs. Server
10 Obj. 261 Stats / Compare 145 (37.93%) 1,340 0.48 0.05 1,078 51.03% vs. Server
10 Obj. 277 Stats / Compare 40 (17.50%) 2,636 1.13 1.85 2,094 40.00% vs. Server
10 Obj. 430U Stats / Compare 55 (23.64%) 2,346 1.25 1.44 1,827 45.45% vs. Server
10 Obj. 907 Stats / Compare 182 (25.82%) 2,422 1.31 2.05 2,155 54.40% vs. Server
10 Strv 103B Stats / Compare 59 (44.07%) 2,501 1.31 0.81 2,023 57.63% vs. Server
10 T-62A Stats / Compare 1117 (21.31%) 2,024 1.18 1.53 1,923 48.70% vs. Server
10 T95/FV4201 Stats / Compare 135 (31.11%) 2,790 1.16 1.73 2,091 57.78% vs. Server
9 212A Stats / Compare 273 (37.00%) 1,176 0.56 0.02 1,014 50.92% vs. Server
9 AMX 13 90 Stats / Compare 604 (17.05%) 1,063 0.85 2.35 1,738 51.99% vs. Server
9 AMX 30 Stats / Compare 117 (23.08%) 2,048 1.25 2.08 2,340 58.97% vs. Server
9 Škoda T 50 Stats / Compare 99 (17.17%) 1,801 1.11 1.81 1,694 51.52% vs. Server
9 B-C 25 t AP Stats / Compare 496 (16.33%) 1,647 1.19 1.77 1,962 50.81% vs. Server
9 Leopard PT A Stats / Compare 190 (31.05%) +1 2,066 -10.14 1.28 1.63 2,403 -16.94 53.68% -0.28% vs. Server
9 Obj. 257 Stats / Compare 20 (20.00%) 2,014 0.80 1.10 1,733 45.00% vs. Server
9 Obj. 430 Stats / Compare 81 (23.46%) 2,247 1.36 1.83 2,347 60.49% vs. Server
9 Ru 251 Stats / Compare 400 (16.25%) 1,120 0.78 3.16 1,954 57.00% vs. Server
9 Strv 103-0 Stats / Compare 203 (36.45%) 2,027 1.23 0.84 2,006 53.69% vs. Server
9 T 55A Stats / Compare 70 (21.43%) 1,819 0.86 1.59 1,699 48.57% vs. Server
9 T-10 Stats / Compare 693 (22.08%) 1,671 0.90 1.33 1,785 52.09% vs. Server
9 T-54 Stats / Compare 1057 (17.88%) 1,164 0.81 1.52 1,172 47.30% vs. Server
9 T49 Stats / Compare 300 (15.33%) 1,228 0.68 2.45 1,867 45.00% vs. Server
9 WT auf Pz. IV Stats / Compare 274 (27.01%) 2,141 1.06 0.67 1,986 53.28% vs. Server
9 WZ-120 Stats / Compare 372 (18.28%) 1,428 0.87 1.43 1,510 50.81% vs. Server
8 AMX CDC Stats / Compare 1672 (16.69%) 1,106 0.86 2.10 1,579 49.28% vs. Server
8 Defender Stats / Compare 88 (26.14%) +3 1,705 -13.12 1.06 -0.03 1.30 -0.03 1,940 -51.41 45.45% -1.60% vs. Server
8 FV4202 Stats / Compare 1 (100.00%) 582 1.00 1.00 706 100.00% vs. Server
8 IS-3 Stats / Compare 589 (24.79%) 1,175 0.80 0.99 1,382 50.76% vs. Server
8 IS-3A Stats / Compare 18 (5.56%) 1,044 0.22 0.89 680 38.89% vs. Server
8 JgTig.8,8 cm Stats / Compare 30 (30.00%) 1,091 0.67 1.17 1,218 50.00% vs. Server
8 KV-5 Stats / Compare 9 (11.11%) 675 0.00 0.56 590 55.56% vs. Server
8 LT-432 Stats / Compare 56 (21.43%) +1 1,212 -11.08 0.95 3.30 -0.02 2,351 -15.81 50.00% +0.91% vs. Server
8 M 41 90 GF Stats / Compare 48 (2.08%) 524 0.33 2.54 724 47.92% vs. Server
8 M41 Bulldog Stats / Compare 173 (9.83%) 801 0.84 2.42 1,686 53.18% vs. Server
8 M46 KR Stats / Compare 100 (33.00%) 1,492 0.90 1.48 2,232 70.00% vs. Server
8 M4A1 Rev. Stats / Compare 238 (25.63%) +1 1,646 -6.94 1.02 1.16 2,318 -16.47 55.46% -0.23% vs. Server
8 Panther 8,8 Stats / Compare 210 (19.05%) 1,213 0.97 1.00 1,743 50.00% vs. Server
8 Pz. 58 Mutz Stats / Compare 12 (16.67%) 694 0.33 1.08 615 41.67% vs. Server
8 Rhm.-B. WT Stats / Compare 696 (25.86%) +1 1,523 -0.39 1.10 0.46 1,597 +1.00 52.73% +0.07% vs. Server
8 Schwarzpz.58 Stats / Compare 286 (16.78%) 1,264 0.85 1.64 1,868 51.40% vs. Server
8 Skorpion G Stats / Compare 20 (5.00%) 1,109 0.45 0.95 939 50.00% vs. Server
8 SU-14-2 Stats / Compare 309 (33.98%) 1,094 0.73 0.03 1,138 46.93% vs. Server
8 T-34-3 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 0 0.00 0.00 n/a 0 0.00% vs. Server
8 T-44 Stats / Compare 634 (17.51%) 801 0.68 1.32 1,016 47.00% vs. Server
8 T-54 mod. 1 Stats / Compare 29 (17.24%) 895 0.66 1.17 984 44.83% vs. Server
8 T25 Pilot 1 Stats / Compare 26 (30.77%) 1,421 1.23 1.27 2,227 65.38% vs. Server
8 T26E4 Stats / Compare 131 (27.48%) +1 1,418 -5.38 0.88 -0.01 1.20 -0.01 2,094 -12.55 58.02% +0.32% vs. Server
8 UDES 03 Stats / Compare 170 (32.94%) 1,726 1.18 1.09 2,253 54.71% vs. Server
8 WZ-111 Stats / Compare 114 (27.19%) 982 0.76 1.25 1,123 53.51% vs. Server
8 WZ-132 Stats / Compare 610 (15.90%) 765 0.63 2.73 1,308 48.69% vs. Server
7 AMX 13 75 Stats / Compare 221 (13.12%) 551 0.65 1.66 1,153 54.30% vs. Server
7 E 25 Stats / Compare 482 (20.12%) 912 1.09 1.65 1,369 53.73% vs. Server
7 Ikv 90 B Stats / Compare 191 (21.47%) 898 0.94 1.06 1,402 53.40% vs. Server
7 IS Stats / Compare 517 (23.98%) 743 0.75 0.78 897 47.20% vs. Server
7 KV-13 Stats / Compare 97 (11.34%) 347 0.37 0.93 429 54.64% vs. Server
7 M12 Stats / Compare 14 (35.71%) 584 0.29 0.07 498 42.86% vs. Server
7 Panther/M10 Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 737 1.00 1.00 n/a 987 0.00% vs. Server
7 S-51 Stats / Compare 536 (30.97%) 607 0.54 0.06 610 48.13% vs. Server
7 Scorpion Stats / Compare 9 (22.22%) 716 0.33 1.00 717 44.44% vs. Server
7 SP I C Stats / Compare 169 (16.57%) 730 0.64 1.37 1,395 54.44% vs. Server
7 St. Emil Stats / Compare 232 (19.40%) 438 0.45 0.29 415 46.55% vs. Server
7 T-43 Stats / Compare 169 (10.06%) 404 0.46 1.27 500 52.66% vs. Server
7 T28 HTC Stats / Compare 18 (33.33%) 1,052 1.06 1.06 1,483 33.33% vs. Server
7 T71 DA Stats / Compare 31 (12.90%) 1,035 1.16 2.45 2,662 48.39% vs. Server
7 Tiger I Stats / Compare 126 (23.81%) 949 0.89 0.69 1,240 50.00% vs. Server
7 Type 62 Stats / Compare 82 (17.07%) 927 0.83 2.70 2,235 48.78% vs. Server
7 VK 45.03 Stats / Compare 12 (8.33%) 950 0.67 0.83 1,025 41.67% vs. Server
7 WZ-131 Stats / Compare 456 (11.18%) 462 0.46 2.11 780 47.81% vs. Server
6 59-16 Stats / Compare 291 (10.65%) 189 0.26 1.47 259 40.89% vs. Server
6 AMX 12 t Stats / Compare 139 (7.19%) 244 0.41 1.09 518 51.08% vs. Server
6 Cromwell Stats / Compare 125 (7.20%) 325 0.50 1.74 411 44.00% vs. Server
6 Crusader Stats / Compare 111 (10.81%) 92 0.19 1.23 47 44.14% vs. Server
6 FV304 Stats / Compare 347 (23.05%) 534 0.79 0.25 889 45.53% vs. Server
6 Hellcat Stats / Compare 269 (11.52%) 387 0.50 0.75 459 43.12% vs. Server
6 KV-1S Stats / Compare 5 (0.00%) 454 0.80 1.40 961 60.00% vs. Server
6 KV-2 Stats / Compare 745 (23.22%) 659 0.85 0.61 1,120 51.81% vs. Server
6 KV-85 Stats / Compare 690 (19.28%) 529 0.74 0.83 786 47.10% vs. Server
6 M44 Stats / Compare 125 (33.60%) 585 0.80 0.10 965 49.60% vs. Server
6 M4A3E2 Stats / Compare 69 (10.14%) 220 0.26 0.80 125 34.78% vs. Server
6 MT-25 Stats / Compare 3 (0.00%) 0 0.00 3.00 n/a 0 0.00% vs. Server
6 Nashorn Stats / Compare 157 (14.01%) 340 0.48 0.50 325 39.49% vs. Server
6 Strv m/42-57 Stats / Compare 5 (0.00%) 564 0.40 1.20 915 60.00% vs. Server
6 SU-100Y Stats / Compare 330 (22.12%) 668 0.83 0.65 1,114 49.39% vs. Server
6 T-34-85M Stats / Compare 62 (24.19%) 995 1.18 1.76 2,072 66.13% vs. Server
6 T-50-2 Stats / Compare 3 (33.33%) 687 1.00 4.00 2,054 33.33% vs. Server
6 T37 Stats / Compare 83 (4.82%) 324 0.31 2.28 672 46.99% vs. Server
6 TOG II* Stats / Compare 40 (30.00%) 713 0.90 0.28 1,141 52.50% vs. Server
6 Type 64 Stats / Compare 273 (15.38%) 709 0.93 2.81 2,010 53.85% vs. Server
6 VK 28.01 Stats / Compare 120 (5.00%) 122 0.13 2.41 110 45.00% vs. Server
6 VK 36.01 H Stats / Compare 55 (16.36%) 150 0.27 0.40 1 34.55% vs. Server
5 A-20 Stats / Compare 70 (5.71%) 57 0.10 1.16 15 41.43% vs. Server
5 AMX ELC bis Stats / Compare 705 (12.48%) 313 0.51 2.31 1,050 49.79% vs. Server
5 Archer Stats / Compare 2 (50.00%) 0 0.00 0.00 n/a 261 100.00% vs. Server
5 AT 2 Stats / Compare 10 (30.00%) 206 0.40 0.50 313 50.00% vs. Server
5 Bishop Stats / Compare 83 (26.51%) 338 0.55 0.13 601 46.99% vs. Server
5 Chaffee Stats / Compare 66 (4.55%) 186 0.32 2.29 447 46.97% vs. Server
5 Churchill I Stats / Compare 45 (33.33%) 70 0.16 0.24 0 37.78% vs. Server
5 Churchill III Stats / Compare 311 (18.33%) 388 0.70 1.24 777 49.52% vs. Server
5 Covenanter Stats / Compare 110 (7.27%) 46 0.12 0.73 23 41.82% vs. Server
5 Excelsior Stats / Compare 19 (26.32%) 597 1.42 1.58 1,443 47.37% vs. Server
5 Grille Stats / Compare 61 (27.87%) 360 0.57 0.08 663 52.46% vs. Server
5 KV-1 Stats / Compare 340 (25.29%) 342 0.66 0.65 534 40.88% vs. Server
5 Leopard Stats / Compare 57 (0.00%) 184 0.23 1.84 478 52.63% vs. Server
5 M41 HMC Stats / Compare 222 (28.83%) 262 0.42 0.09 264 49.10% vs. Server
5 M4A1 Stats / Compare 364 (17.86%) 430 0.89 1.29 1,197 55.77% vs. Server
5 M7 Stats / Compare 3 (0.00%) 0 0.00 1.33 n/a 0 33.33% vs. Server
5 Pz. III/IV Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 6 0.00 0.00 n/a 0 0.00% vs. Server
5 Pz. IV H Stats / Compare 163 (13.50%) 163 0.41 0.64 205 44.79% vs. Server
5 Pz. T 25 Stats / Compare 446 (10.54%) 307 0.61 1.88 657 47.09% vs. Server
5 Pz.Sfl. IVc Stats / Compare 92 (6.52%) 297 0.55 0.59 483 43.48% vs. Server
5 Ram II Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 310 0.00 0.00 n/a 491 0.00% vs. Server
5 StuG IV Stats / Compare 14 (7.14%) 394 0.79 0.93 909 42.86% vs. Server
5 SU-85 Stats / Compare 41 (14.63%) 172 0.41 0.34 226 51.22% vs. Server
5 T-34 Stats / Compare 103 (13.59%) 162 0.29 1.03 242 48.54% vs. Server
5 T1 Heavy Stats / Compare 12 (8.33%) 121 0.08 0.42 0 33.33% vs. Server
5 Type T-34 Stats / Compare 240 (11.67%) 132 0.27 0.64 74 35.83% vs. Server
5 VK 30.01 H Stats / Compare 50 (26.00%) 283 0.54 0.60 358 42.00% vs. Server
5 Wolverine Stats / Compare 143 (14.69%) 161 0.26 0.55 141 45.45% vs. Server
4 Alecto Stats / Compare 94 (18.09%) 29 0.09 0.76 47 45.74% vs. Server
4 AMX 40 Stats / Compare 96 (23.96%) 80 0.21 0.33 131 44.79% vs. Server
4 B1 Stats / Compare 28 (25.00%) 20 0.07 0.00 n/a 125 53.57% vs. Server
4 Birch Gun Stats / Compare 9 (22.22%) 74 0.33 0.00 0 33.33% vs. Server
4 BT-7 Stats / Compare 20 (10.00%) 54 0.15 1.25 91 50.00% vs. Server
4 Cruiser IV Stats / Compare 23 (4.35%) 88 0.13 0.65 69 39.13% vs. Server
4 D.W. 2 Stats / Compare 133 (25.56%) 52 0.11 0.27 36 43.61% vs. Server
4 Luchs Stats / Compare 160 (17.50%) 318 0.79 2.02 1,194 48.13% vs. Server
4 M3 Lee Stats / Compare 84 (17.86%) 101 0.30 0.52 190 51.19% vs. Server
4 M37 Stats / Compare 120 (28.33%) 119 0.28 0.09 199 46.67% vs. Server
4 M5 Stuart Stats / Compare 93 (15.05%) 55 0.17 1.23 1 38.71% vs. Server
4 M5A1 Stuart Stats / Compare 70 (14.29%) 53 0.04 0.79 59 45.71% vs. Server
4 M8A1 Stats / Compare 27 (14.81%) 115 0.22 0.96 240 62.96% vs. Server
4 Marder 38T Stats / Compare 42 (4.76%) 125 0.36 0.67 77 42.86% vs. Server
4 Pz. B2 Stats / Compare 2 (50.00%) 151 0.50 3.00 214 50.00% vs. Server
4 Pz. III J Stats / Compare 103 (16.50%) 53 0.10 0.43 0 37.86% vs. Server
4 Pz. IV D Stats / Compare 88 (14.77%) 37 0.11 0.60 31 43.18% vs. Server
4 Pz.Sfl. IVb Stats / Compare 62 (43.55%) 152 0.53 0.08 347 53.23% vs. Server
4 T-28 Stats / Compare 102 (30.39%) 30 0.04 0.25 157 56.86% vs. Server
4 T-28E F-30 Stats / Compare 6 (16.67%) 411 0.67 1.17 1,201 83.33% vs. Server
4 T40 Stats / Compare 83 (18.07%) 75 0.16 0.51 82 49.40% vs. Server
4 Valentine AT Stats / Compare 37 (18.92%) 75 0.30 0.49 66 48.65% vs. Server
3 AMX 38 Stats / Compare 34 (26.47%) 31 0.09 0.38 46 47.06% vs. Server
3 Chi-Ha Stats / Compare 51 (13.73%) 70 0.25 0.59 106 52.94% vs. Server
3 Cruiser III Stats / Compare 30 (26.67%) 163 0.60 1.20 788 60.00% vs. Server
3 D2 Stats / Compare 42 (21.43%) 38 0.21 0.21 92 52.38% vs. Server
3 LTP Stats / Compare 27 (22.22%) 324 1.11 1.26 1,656 48.15% vs. Server
3 M2 Medium Stats / Compare 23 (8.70%) 49 0.22 0.57 102 52.17% vs. Server
3 M3 Stuart Stats / Compare 32 (15.63%) 25 0.09 0.97 110 53.13% vs. Server
3 M7 Priest Stats / Compare 34 (35.29%) 146 0.38 0.03 297 52.94% vs. Server
3 Marder II Stats / Compare 24 (8.33%) 48 0.25 0.04 0 29.17% vs. Server
3 Pz. I C Stats / Compare 54 (5.56%) 60 0.09 1.54 29 42.59% vs. Server
3 Pz. III E Stats / Compare 40 (15.00%) 125 0.58 0.45 332 45.00% vs. Server
3 Pz. IV A Stats / Compare 10 (30.00%) 187 1.00 0.80 680 50.00% vs. Server
3 Sexton II Stats / Compare 31 (25.81%) 108 0.23 0.06 403 61.29% vs. Server
3 T-127 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 255 1.00 2.00 1,124 100.00% vs. Server
3 T-46 Stats / Compare 42 (16.67%) 34 0.21 0.40 5 40.48% vs. Server
3 T56 GMC Stats / Compare 19 (21.05%) 52 0.26 0.42 142 57.89% vs. Server
3 Toldi III Stats / Compare 9 (11.11%) 284 1.00 1.11 1,796 33.33% vs. Server
3 Valentine Stats / Compare 53 (16.98%) 52 0.11 0.26 7 39.62% vs. Server
3 Wespe Stats / Compare 60 (20.00%) 74 0.33 0.12 33 40.00% vs. Server
2 AT-1 Stats / Compare 3 (0.00%) 200 1.00 0.67 708 0.00% vs. Server
2 BT-2 Stats / Compare 41 (9.76%) 65 0.27 1.63 182 51.22% vs. Server
2 Chi-Ni Stats / Compare 6 (0.00%) 75 0.33 0.33 137 33.33% vs. Server
2 Cruiser II Stats / Compare 42 (21.43%) 31 0.10 0.19 25 42.86% vs. Server
2 D1 Stats / Compare 9 (22.22%) 18 0.11 0.11 128 55.56% vs. Server
2 G.Pz. Mk. VI Stats / Compare 12 (33.33%) 50 0.33 0.00 216 58.33% vs. Server
2 I-Go/Chi-Ro Stats / Compare 6 (33.33%) 267 2.17 0.83 1,633 50.00% vs. Server
2 L-60 Stats / Compare 11 (0.00%) 222 0.82 1.64 1,401 45.45% vs. Server
2 Light VIC Stats / Compare 38 (23.68%) 269 1.82 1.13 2,168 52.63% vs. Server
2 Loyd GC Stats / Compare 17 (17.65%) 32 0.18 0.41 165 58.82% vs. Server
2 LT vz. 35 Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 209 0.50 0.50 1,038 50.00% vs. Server
2 M2 Light Stats / Compare 280 (27.50%) 314 1.88 3.08 2,121 58.57% vs. Server
2 Medium II Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 67 0.00 0.00 n/a 67 0.00% vs. Server
2 Pz. I Stats / Compare 8 (0.00%) 37 0.38 0.50 1 37.50% vs. Server
2 Pz. II Stats / Compare 10 (20.00%) 95 0.40 0.80 239 40.00% vs. Server
2 Pz. II D Stats / Compare 21 (23.81%) 41 0.05 0.95 53 47.62% vs. Server
2 Pz.Jäg. I Stats / Compare 13 (7.69%) 93 0.62 0.46 174 46.15% vs. Server
2 T-26 Stats / Compare 9 (22.22%) 97 0.67 0.11 286 44.44% vs. Server
2 T-45 Stats / Compare 5 (20.00%) 180 0.60 1.40 1,100 80.00% vs. Server
2 T1 HMC Stats / Compare 8 (25.00%) 1 0.00 0.63 n/a 261 75.00% vs. Server
2 T1E6 Stats / Compare 7 (0.00%) 83 1.00 1.71 396 57.14% vs. Server
2 T2 Light Stats / Compare 4 (0.00%) 132 0.50 0.25 577 50.00% vs. Server
2 T2 Medium Stats / Compare 11 (36.36%) 146 0.82 0.91 621 45.45% vs. Server
2 T3 HMC Stats / Compare 49 (12.24%) 129 0.78 0.61 341 40.82% vs. Server
2 T7 Car Stats / Compare 282 (19.86%) 222 1.67 1.73 1,735 53.90% vs. Server
2 Te-Ke Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 45 0.00 2.00 n/a 0 0.00% vs. Server
2 Tetrarch Stats / Compare 86 (9.30%) 153 0.69 1.37 643 45.35% vs. Server
2 UC 2-pdr Stats / Compare 24 (4.17%) 25 0.08 0.67 0 37.50% vs. Server
2 VAE Type B Stats / Compare 9 (0.00%) 33 0.22 0.56 262 77.78% vs. Server
1 Cruiser I Stats / Compare 15 (0.00%) 62 0.40 0.60 30 26.67% vs. Server
1 FT Stats / Compare 10 (20.00%) 12 0.00 0.60 0 30.00% vs. Server
1 K-housenka Stats / Compare 7 (28.57%) 283 2.29 1.00 2,617 71.43% vs. Server
1 L.Tr. Stats / Compare 53 (13.21%) 54 0.43 0.85 92 47.17% vs. Server
1 Medium I Stats / Compare 48 (16.67%) 64 0.40 0.46 126 43.75% vs. Server
1 MS-1 Stats / Compare 35 (8.57%) 54 0.37 1.00 83 45.71% vs. Server
1 NC-31 Stats / Compare 39 (15.38%) 31 0.33 0.56 55 46.15% vs. Server
1 R. Otsu Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 94 0.00 2.00 n/a 331 0.00% vs. Server
1 T1 Stats / Compare 129 (11.63%) 63 0.38 0.83 172 45.74% vs. Server

Gold cost of prem vehicles: 0
USD Value: $0.00

Creadits spent on regular vhicles: 0
Credits to gold: 0

Total Gold: 0
Total USD: $0.00

1 gold = 400 credits | 250 gold =$1.00 USD
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