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Tier Nation Tank Type Battles (Survived%) Damage Frags Spotted Mastery WN8 Win Other Players
10 AMX 13 105 7 (28.57%) 1,548 0.57 2.43 1,349 Full Stats 28.57% compare
10 Grille 15 346 (36.71%) 2,270 1.31 0.47 1,783 Full Stats 47.98% compare
10 Jg.Pz. E 100 108 (38.89%) 2,345 1.21 0.58 1,878 Full Stats 50.93% compare
10 Kranvagn 52 (28.85%) 2,133 0.81 1.65 1,624 Full Stats 50.00% compare
10 Leopard 1 151 (42.38%) 2,142 1.22 1.11 1,980 Full Stats 54.30% compare
10 Obj. 277 16 (62.50%) 3,165 1.94 1.69 3,068 Full Stats 62.50% compare
10 T110E5 148 (31.08%) 2,129 0.95 1.37 1,909 Full Stats 50.00% compare
10 WT E 100 182 (43.96%) 2,316 1.48 0.32 1,674 Full Stats 50.00% compare
9 AE Phase I 14 (28.57%) 1,541 0.71 1.29 1,343 Full Stats 64.29% compare
9 AMX 13 90 242 (24.38%) 1,193 0.83 2.81 1,952 Full Stats 53.31% compare
9 Emil II 261 (39.08%) 1,927 1.17 1.02 1,961 Full Stats 50.96% compare
9 Jagdtiger 217 (40.55%) 2,104 1.29 0.60 1,982 Full Stats 51.15% compare
9 Leopard PT A 570 (37.37%) 1,769 1.18 0.99 1,868 Full Stats 51.23% compare
9 M103 353 (33.14%) 1,678 0.93 0.98 1,724 Full Stats 53.54% compare
9 M53/M55 78 (46.15%) 1,279 0.58 0.05 1,215 Full Stats 52.56% compare
9 Obj. 257 54 (35.19%) 1,668 0.93 0.98 1,600 Full Stats 61.11% compare
9 Standard B 26 (30.77%) 1,624 1.12 1.23 1,379 Full Stats 46.15% compare
9 T 55A 123 (34.15%) 1,758 1.20 1.51 1,904 Full Stats 55.28% compare
9 T-10 47 (25.53%) 1,715 0.66 0.96 1,602 Full Stats 57.45% compare
9 WT auf Pz. IV 530 (40.57%) 1,795 1.15 0.29 1,560 Full Stats 50.19% compare
8 AMX M4 49 L 43 (27.91%) 1,425 1.09 1.12 1,830 Full Stats 51.16% compare
8 B-C 12 t 23 (30.43%) 863 0.78 2.65 1,662 Full Stats 56.52% compare
8 Bourrasque 70 (45.71%) 1,627 1.36 1.64 1,533,138 Full Stats 64.29% compare
8 Caernarvon AX 27 (22.22%) +1 1,455 -25.70 0.81 +0.01 1.22 -0.05 1,829 -59.30 Full Stats 59.26% -2.28% compare
8 Charioteer 69 (37.68%) +3 1,412 +58.75 1.20 +0.02 0.87 +0.01 1,878 +101.28 Full Stats 57.97% -1.12% compare
8 E 75 TS 37 (29.73%) 1,559 0.65 1.59 1,656 Full Stats 72.97% compare
8 ELC EVEN 90 4 (25.00%) 1,286 2.00 5.00 3,054 Full Stats 50.00% compare
8 Emil I 250 (35.20%) 1,664 1.29 1.08 2,261 Full Stats 54.80% compare
8 Indien-Pz. 597 (36.35%) 1,279 0.98 0.93 1,831 Full Stats 51.42% compare
8 IS-2-II 41 (26.83%) 1,074 0.51 0.85 2,051,699 Full Stats 46.34% compare
8 IS-3 85 (38.82%) 1,735 1.27 0.79 2,403 Full Stats 55.29% compare
8 IS-3A 27 (22.22%) 1,409 0.74 1.00 1,481 Full Stats 62.96% compare
8 JgTig.8,8 cm 2 (0.00%) 1,322 0.00 1.50 1,181 Full Stats 50.00% compare
8 JPanther II 143 (32.17%) 1,501 1.26 0.57 1,802 Full Stats 51.05% compare
8 LT-432 47 (34.04%) 930 0.89 3.13 1,775 Full Stats 61.70% compare
8 M 41 90 GF 15 (26.67%) 580 0.47 1.93 770 Full Stats 33.33% compare
8 M40/M43 548 (42.34%) 1,212 0.78 0.03 1,371 Full Stats 50.73% compare
8 M46 KR 23 (30.43%) 966 0.57 1.48 1,229 Full Stats 60.87% compare
8 M4A1 Rev. 459 (35.73%) 1,467 0.95 0.62 1,862 Full Stats 52.07% compare
8 O-Ho 22 (22.73%) 1,273 0.64 0.36 1,430 Full Stats 59.09% compare
8 Progetto 46 56 (39.29%) 1,610 1.32 1.23 2,117 Full Stats 62.50% compare
8 Pz. 58 Mutz 28 (25.00%) 1,290 0.71 1.11 1,561 Full Stats 42.86% compare
8 Rhm.-B. WT 750 (40.67%) +1 1,557 +1.13 1.17 0.41 1,641 +3.21 Full Stats 52.53% +0.06% compare
8 Skorpion 20 (35.00%) 1,596 1.25 0.90 1,696 Full Stats 45.00% compare
8 Skorpion G 58 (37.93%) 1,628 1.29 0.52 1,971 Full Stats 53.45% compare
8 Strv S1 360 (45.83%) 1,618 1.07 0.30 1,650 Full Stats 54.17% compare
8 T25 Pilot 1 117 (21.37%) 1,132 0.86 0.98 1,591 Full Stats 55.56% compare
8 T26E4 5 (0.00%) 680 0.00 2.00 508 Full Stats 40.00% compare
8 T26E5 12 (25.00%) 1,670 1.00 1.75 2,275 Full Stats 50.00% compare
8 T26E5 P 2 (100.00%) 2,288 0.50 2.00 2,713 Full Stats 100.00% compare
8 T32 216 (35.19%) 1,367 0.98 0.99 1,691 Full Stats 48.15% compare
8 T34 B 74 (25.68%) 1,243 0.69 1.05 1,452 Full Stats 54.05% compare
8 UDES 14 5 40 (42.50%) +1 1,507 -18.77 0.93 -0.02 1.00 1,874 -51.24 Full Stats 60.00% -1.54% compare
8 WZ-111 4 (25.00%) 1,181 0.25 2.00 1,096 Full Stats 50.00% compare
7 A-44 29 (24.14%) 1,245 1.03 1.24 2,145 Full Stats 62.07% compare
7 AMX 13 57F 63 (41.27%) 981 1.41 3.76 2,589 Full Stats 60.32% compare
7 AMX 13 75 162 (22.84%) 660 0.68 2.25 1,446 Full Stats 51.85% compare
7 E 25 328 (30.79%) 1,168 1.60 0.97 1,799 Full Stats 52.13% compare
7 IS 114 (34.21%) 1,261 1.04 1.35 2,054 Full Stats 63.16% compare
7 JPanther 76 (32.89%) 1,281 1.17 0.46 1,810 Full Stats 48.68% compare
7 KV-13 17 (41.18%) 903 1.24 1.71 1,854 Full Stats 70.59% compare
7 Leo 203 (33.00%) 1,096 1.02 1.27 1,880 Full Stats 57.14% compare
7 M12 265 (48.68%) 932 0.78 0.05 1,296 Full Stats 55.85% compare
7 O-Ni 89 (41.57%) 1,289 1.25 1.01 2,075 Full Stats 60.67% compare
7 P.43 ter 55 (30.91%) 1,013 0.95 1.64 1,655 Full Stats 50.91% compare
7 Panther 20 (35.00%) +1 1,101 -8.03 1.10 -0.01 1.55 +0.08 2,128 +15.00 Full Stats 65.00% +1.84% compare
7 Panther/M10 23 (39.13%) 1,125 1.13 1.17 2,013 Full Stats 69.57% compare
7 Scorpion 3 (33.33%) 885 1.33 0.67 1,169 Full Stats 33.33% compare
7 St. Emil 364 (30.22%) 778 0.70 0.40 993 Full Stats 45.33% compare
7 Super Hellcat 13 (53.85%) 802 1.15 0.46 1,167 Full Stats 76.92% compare
7 T-34-1 11 (36.36%) +1 904 +5.00 1.45 -0.15 0.36 +0.06 1,271 -31.77 Full Stats 45.45% -4.55% compare
7 T25 AT 94 (36.17%) 1,048 1.06 0.59 1,421 Full Stats 45.74% compare
7 T28 HTC 88 (39.77%) 1,053 0.97 0.78 1,648 Full Stats 53.41% compare
7 T29 824 (35.92%) 1,144 0.99 1.00 1,570 Full Stats 54.49% compare
7 Type 62 20 (35.00%) 1,190 1.70 2.35 3,305 Full Stats 50.00% compare
7 VK 30.02 D 252 (25.00%) 716 0.79 1.05 1,057 Full Stats 50.00% compare
7 VK 45.03 1 (0.00%) 1,135 0.00 3.00 1,288 Full Stats 100.00% compare
6 Achilles 21 (33.33%) 784 1.19 0.38 1,382 Full Stats 47.62% compare
6 AMD 178B 13 (7.69%) 403 0.23 1.54 1,024 Full Stats 69.23% compare
6 AMX 12 t 77 (16.88%) 417 0.47 1.78 994 Full Stats 45.45% compare
6 ARL 44 7 (42.86%) 931 0.71 0.86 1,704 Full Stats 57.14% compare
6 Škoda T 40 76 (25.00%) 833 1.29 1.41 1,936 Full Stats 55.26% compare
6 B.U.G.I. 38 (36.84%) +2 907 +28.86 0.84 +0.01 0.66 -0.04 1,544,187 +53,962.61 Full Stats 73.68% -4.09% compare
6 Bret. Panther 8 (50.00%) 1,114 1.38 0.38 2,091 Full Stats 62.50% compare
6 Cromwell 342 (27.78%) 844 1.33 2.27 2,178 Full Stats 57.89% compare
6 Crusader 39 (20.51%) 317 0.82 1.31 797 Full Stats 41.03% compare
6 Dicker Max 3 (0.00%) 753 0.33 0.33 n/a 963 Full Stats 0.00% compare
6 Firefly VC 14 (42.86%) 1,078 0.93 0.86 1,896 Full Stats 57.14% compare
6 Hellcat 42 (38.10%) 876 1.60 1.12 1,902 Full Stats 66.67% compare
6 HT No. VI 22 (40.91%) 770 0.86 0.73 1,363 Full Stats 59.09% compare
6 Jackson 287 (37.28%) 833 1.09 0.61 1,671 Full Stats 58.89% compare
6 Jg.Pz. IV 71 (29.58%) 772 1.15 0.42 1,568 Full Stats 54.93% compare
6 KV-1S 30 (26.67%) 749 1.27 1.10 1,774 Full Stats 56.67% compare
6 KV-85 131 (31.30%) 1,024 1.19 0.91 2,116 Full Stats 60.31% compare
6 M44 105 (43.81%) 805 1.00 0.09 1,616 Full Stats 60.00% compare
6 M6 189 (22.75%) 533 0.78 0.63 745 Full Stats 40.74% compare
6 Nashorn 171 (21.64%) 544 0.73 0.49 801 Full Stats 44.44% compare
6 O-I 102 (34.31%) 911 0.93 0.58 1,512 Full Stats 53.92% compare
6 P.43 bis 40 (37.50%) 1,023 1.30 1.20 2,471 Full Stats 67.50% compare
6 Strv 74 74 (32.43%) 828 1.15 0.97 1,768 Full Stats 45.95% compare
6 Strv m/42-57 38 (42.11%) 1,098 1.47 0.79 2,462 Full Stats 63.16% compare
6 SU-100 285 (36.49%) 1,023 1.45 0.58 2,203 Full Stats 53.33% compare
6 SU-100Y 493 (34.69%) 917 1.30 0.43 1,841 Full Stats 55.38% compare
6 Super Chaffee 1 (100.00%) 586 2.00 9.00 660,867 Full Stats 100.00% compare
6 T-150 48 (43.75%) 978 1.27 0.92 2,008 Full Stats 58.33% compare
6 T-34-85M 114 (31.58%) +1 1,025 -6.54 1.23 -0.01 1.04 -0.01 2,033 -25.71 Full Stats 62.28% -0.55% compare
6 T-50-2 2 (100.00%) 756 1.50 0.50 2,350 Full Stats 100.00% compare
6 T78 12 (66.67%) +1 1,374 +91.01 1.58 -0.05 0.75 -0.07 2,517 +118.03 Full Stats 75.00% +2.27% compare
6 TOG II* 1 (0.00%) 367 2.00 0.00 575 Full Stats 100.00% compare
6 Type 64 58 (36.21%) 765 1.31 3.05 2,620 Full Stats 67.24% compare
6 VK 30.01 D 204 (21.08%) 466 0.68 1.17 850 Full Stats 52.45% compare
5 AMX ELC bis 852 (24.88%) 465 0.81 2.20 1,934 Full Stats 54.93% compare
5 Archer 49 (34.69%) 491 0.86 0.53 1,131 Full Stats 46.94% compare
5 Škoda T 24 16 (43.75%) 911 2.13 1.25 4,045 Full Stats 81.25% compare
5 BDR G1 B 47 (70.21%) 1,266 2.34 0.89 4,287 Full Stats 85.11% compare
5 Chaffee 152 (24.34%) 525 1.29 3.62 2,552 Full Stats 58.55% compare
5 Churchill III 54 (51.85%) 1,120 2.22 1.17 3,682 Full Stats 75.93% compare
5 Covenanter 55 (29.09%) 325 0.89 1.36 1,487 Full Stats 50.91% compare
5 DS PZInż 3 (66.67%) 1,186 2.00 1.00 1,874,156 Full Stats 66.67% compare
5 Excelsior 8 (62.50%) 1,283 2.75 1.38 4,147 Full Stats 75.00% compare
5 KV-1 264 (52.27%) 1,202 2.17 1.39 4,118 Full Stats 71.59% compare
5 KV-220-2 6 (66.67%) 1,122 2.33 3.33 3,525 Full Stats 66.67% compare
5 Leopard 49 (48.98%) +1 1,298 +13.51 2.14 +0.04 3.24 -0.05 8,382 +182.93 Full Stats 73.47% +0.55% compare
5 M4 Improved 1 (0.00%) 773 0.00 4.00 1,908 Full Stats 100.00% compare
5 M41 HMC 218 (43.58%) 490 0.86 0.05 719 Full Stats 50.00% compare
5 Matilda IV 1 (100.00%) 1,447 4.00 0.00 5,774 Full Stats 100.00% compare
5 O-I Exp. 38 (36.84%) 562 0.95 1.21 963 Full Stats 44.74% compare
5 P.43 44 (15.91%) 515 0.77 0.70 1,369 Full Stats 31.82% compare
5 Pz. III K 9 (22.22%) 574 1.44 1.56 1,865 Full Stats 44.44% compare
5 Pz. III/IV 338 (17.46%) 358 0.70 1.13 921 Full Stats 40.83% compare
5 Pz. IV H 264 (57.58%) 1,112 2.79 1.48 5,124 Full Stats 79.17% compare
5 Pz.Sfl. IVc 221 (21.27%) 337 0.62 0.55 648 Full Stats 47.51% compare
5 Ram II 1 (0.00%) 708 2.00 1.00 n/a 2,162 Full Stats 0.00% compare
5 StuG III G 54 (44.44%) 668 1.57 0.48 2,016 Full Stats 72.22% compare
5 StuG IV 25 (24.00%) 410 0.40 0.52 893 Full Stats 52.00% compare
5 SU-85 117 (21.37%) 452 0.87 0.61 1,058 Full Stats 49.57% compare
5 T-34 107 (50.47%) 1,250 2.96 2.23 6,336 Full Stats 84.11% compare
5 T1 Heavy 145 (28.28%) 315 0.66 0.51 464 Full Stats 44.83% compare
5 T14 3 (0.00%) 500 0.67 3.00 926 Full Stats 33.33% compare
5 T67 16 (37.50%) 1,233 1.88 2.00 3,855 Full Stats 62.50% compare
5 Wolverine 223 (26.46%) 437 0.86 0.65 988 Full Stats 52.47% compare
4 AMX 40 50 (24.00%) 99 0.48 0.54 235 Full Stats 44.00% compare
4 Cruiser IV 34 (23.53%) 432 1.47 1.88 2,266 Full Stats 67.65% compare
4 D.W. 2 17 (47.06%) 178 0.76 0.65 442 Full Stats 52.94% compare
4 Hetzer 49 (57.14%) 695 2.20 0.59 2,944 Full Stats 69.39% compare
4 Lago 6 (83.33%) 672 2.33 2.17 3,795 Full Stats 66.67% compare
4 Luchs 296 (43.58%) 672 2.13 2.97 4,216 Full Stats 73.99% compare
4 M3 Lee 80 (13.75%) 147 0.38 0.74 363 Full Stats 50.00% compare
4 M37 37 (37.84%) 242 0.49 0.08 782 Full Stats 59.46% compare
4 M5 Stuart 21 (23.81%) 179 0.71 1.67 815 Full Stats 61.90% compare
4 M5A1 Stuart 12 (66.67%) 1,415 2.00 2.58 9,366 Full Stats 83.33% compare
4 M8A1 17 (47.06%) 710 2.00 0.88 2,742 Full Stats 88.24% compare
4 Marder 38T 84 (21.43%) 219 0.56 0.44 321 Full Stats 39.29% compare
4 P26/40 14 (28.57%) 422 1.00 0.93 1,525 Full Stats 57.14% compare
4 Pz. III J 278 (25.90%) 289 0.91 1.65 1,146 Full Stats 51.44% compare
4 Pz. IV D 2 (50.00%) 256 0.50 1.00 885 Full Stats 100.00% compare
4 Pz.Sfl. IC 1 (100.00%) 763 1.00 2.00 1,686,908 Full Stats 100.00% compare
4 Sav m/43 9 (33.33%) 284 0.89 0.33 804 Full Stats 55.56% compare
4 SU-76M 11 (36.36%) 251 0.91 0.36 864 Full Stats 63.64% compare
4 SU-85B 48 (33.33%) 396 0.94 0.79 1,041 Full Stats 50.00% compare
4 T-28 16 (50.00%) 472 1.31 0.25 1,820 Full Stats 50.00% compare
4 T40 249 (26.51%) 386 1.10 1.08 1,081 Full Stats 54.62% compare
4 T6 Medium 2 (100.00%) 656 2.00 0.00 982,606 Full Stats 100.00% compare
4 Type 95 7 (57.14%) 405 1.14 0.43 1,646 Full Stats 100.00% compare
3 10TP 2 (0.00%) 45 0.00 2.00 n/a 0 Full Stats 0.00% compare
3 AMX 38 10 (50.00%) 128 0.90 0.50 565 Full Stats 60.00% compare
3 BT-7 art. 11 (9.09%) 183 0.64 1.09 771 Full Stats 45.45% compare
3 Ikv 72 1 (100.00%) 0 0.00 0.00 n/a 261 Full Stats 100.00% compare
3 Locust 17 (29.41%) 374 1.59 2.00 2,284 Full Stats 52.94% compare
3 LT vz. 38 5 (40.00%) 267 0.80 1.00 1,386 Full Stats 60.00% compare
3 LTP 10 (50.00%) 252 0.70 0.80 1,049 Full Stats 30.00% compare
3 M2 Medium 39 (25.64%) 64 0.18 0.67 72 Full Stats 48.72% compare
3 M3 Light 1 (100.00%) 170 0.00 2.00 821 Full Stats 100.00% compare
3 M3 Stuart 11 (36.36%) 188 0.55 2.27 758 Full Stats 45.45% compare
3 M7 Priest 14 (64.29%) 179 0.71 0.00 485 Full Stats 71.43% compare
3 Marder II 21 (19.05%) 171 0.62 0.57 329 Full Stats 42.86% compare
3 MTLS-1G14 5 (40.00%) 384 0.80 1.60 1,806 Full Stats 60.00% compare
3 Pz. I C 104 (21.15%) 233 1.20 3.13 1,386 Full Stats 60.58% compare
3 Pz. III E 31 (6.45%) 76 0.26 0.68 67 Full Stats 41.94% compare
3 Pz. IV A 13 (15.38%) 105 0.54 0.69 226 Full Stats 46.15% compare
3 Sexton I 1 (100.00%) 110 1.00 1.00 460 Full Stats 100.00% compare
3 T-29 2 (0.00%) 203 1.00 0.50 725 Full Stats 50.00% compare
3 T18 HMC 2 (50.00%) 92 0.00 0.00 n/a 404 Full Stats 100.00% compare
3 T56 GMC 25 (12.00%) 111 0.44 0.40 116 Full Stats 40.00% compare
3 Toldi III 8 (37.50%) 230 1.25 1.63 1,666 Full Stats 87.50% compare
3 Valentine 13 (46.15%) 132 0.46 0.23 519 Full Stats 69.23% compare
2 AM Gendron 2 (50.00%) 136 1.50 3.00 658 Full Stats 50.00% compare
2 AT-1 1 (100.00%) 290 2.00 0.00 1,475 Full Stats 100.00% compare
2 Cruiser II 50 (36.00%) 203 1.12 0.48 838 Full Stats 54.00% compare
2 D1 2 (50.00%) 106 1.00 0.00 418 Full Stats 50.00% compare
2 H35 20 (20.00%) 154 1.00 1.05 872 Full Stats 60.00% compare
2 L-60 5 (20.00%) 166 1.20 0.60 1,158 Full Stats 80.00% compare
2 Light VIC 4 (50.00%) 63 0.00 0.50 369 Full Stats 75.00% compare
2 LT vz. 35 2 (0.00%) 203 1.00 1.00 n/a 1,153 Full Stats 50.00% compare
2 M2 Light 6 (0.00%) 40 0.00 1.83 n/a 0 Full Stats 16.67% compare
2 MKA 3 (66.67%) 350 2.33 1.67 2,467 Full Stats 100.00% compare
2 Pz. I 1 (0.00%) 39 1.00 1.00 n/a 264 Full Stats 100.00% compare
2 Pz. II 14 (42.86%) 183 0.86 0.79 932 Full Stats 57.14% compare
2 Pz. II D 1 (100.00%) 55 0.00 0.00 n/a 296 Full Stats 100.00% compare
2 Pz.Jäg. I 7 (42.86%) 113 0.71 1.43 490 Full Stats 85.71% compare
2 T-45 1 (0.00%) 152 0.00 0.00 n/a 569 Full Stats 0.00% compare
2 T1 HMC 17 (41.18%) 57 0.59 0.00 220 Full Stats 58.82% compare
2 T2 Medium 21 (0.00%) 55 0.19 1.10 16 Full Stats 33.33% compare
2 T3 HMC 24 (20.83%) 125 0.63 0.71 443 Full Stats 54.17% compare
2 T7 Car 25 (8.00%) 121 0.76 1.84 568 Full Stats 36.00% compare
2 Te-Ke 1 (0.00%) 0 0.00 0.00 n/a 261 Full Stats 100.00% compare
2 TKS 20 2 (0.00%) 147 0.50 0.50 n/a 775 Full Stats 50.00% compare
1 Cruiser I 11 (18.18%) 103 0.36 0.45 281 Full Stats 45.45% compare
1 Fiat 3000 1 (0.00%) 118 0.00 0.00 n/a 435 Full Stats 0.00% compare
1 FT 2 (0.00%) 17 0.00 1.00 76 Full Stats 50.00% compare
1 K-housenka 1 (0.00%) 248 3.00 0.00 1,864 Full Stats 100.00% compare
1 L.Tr. 3 (33.33%) 45 0.33 0.67 0 Full Stats 33.33% compare
1 Medium I 3 (0.00%) 38 0.00 0.33 n/a 0 Full Stats 0.00% compare
1 MS-1 1 (0.00%) 250 1.00 2.00 1,421 Full Stats 0.00% compare
1 NC-31 3 (0.00%) 49 0.00 0.33 4 Full Stats 33.33% compare
1 R. Otsu 3 (33.33%) 31 0.33 0.00 222 Full Stats 66.67% compare
1 Strv fm/21 3 (33.33%) 187 1.00 0.00 1,013 Full Stats 33.33% compare
1 T1 60 (16.67%) 81 0.47 1.13 288 Full Stats 45.00% compare

Gold cost of prem vehicles: 0
USD Value: $0.00

Creadits spent on regular vhicles: 0
Credits to gold: 0

Total Gold: 0
Total USD: $0.00

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