Players TurtleDawg [CHEGG]    
2,492
2,562

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Updated: April 23, 2024 Update
Battles 35,699 1,058 12
WN8
2,492
2,562
3,042
Win Rate 57.23% 56.14% 50.00%
WG Rating 9,458
Forum Signature Account Created: August 25, 2013 @ 4:13 pm   |   Last Battle: April 21, 2024 @ 4:26 pm
 Nick History:
 TurtleDawg 
 1005894010 
  

Graphs



  
Tier Damage Winrate Battles
10 2,816.77 58.58% 7,222 3,1342,49501,236357
9 2,201.98 58.07% 7,348 1,7652,9561,079725823
8 1,765.68 57.75% 9,926 2,9013,4751,1331,801616
7 1,166.94 56.27% 3,881 521775911926748
6 857.06 55.99% 3,124 7721,034642375301
5 565.50 55.86% 2,175 397702372472232
4 282.10 53.26% 952 6826523129296
3 244.00 50.29% 690 06840117051
2 160.45 52.03% 296 051917525
1 179.16 51.76% 85 038200
Stats Total Avg
Tanks 305
Battles: 35,699
Survival: 12,839 35.96%
XP: 23,941,544 670.65
Total Damage: 62,984,953 1,764.33
Total Frags: 46,014 1.29
Total Shots: 411,286 11.52
Damage Received: 37,443,362 1,048.86
Capture Points: 50,224 1.41
Defence Points: 37,201 1.04

Players Tanks: 305 All Tanks   |   Recent Tanks
10
207 (27.54%)
2,913
1.22
1.91
2,968
52.66%
10
207 (30.43%)
2,661
1.44
1.75
2,960
55.56%
10
239 (33.47%)
2,528
1.28
1.67
2,541
54.39%
10
264 (45.45%)
3,145
1.80
0.80
3,196
62.88%
10
51 (27.45%)
2,462
0.98
1.35
2,282
58.82%
10
358 (33.80%)
2,738
1.94
1.92
3,126
56.98%
10
93 (53.76%)
1,702
0.60
0.04
1,562
64.52%
10
212 (42.92%)
3,270
1.35
1.38
3,283
63.68%
10
264 (39.39%)
1,810
0.88
0.02
1,665
50.00%
10
99 (33.33%)
2,695
1.34
0.73
2,343
57.58%
10
615 (38.05%)
2,664
1.27
1.62
2,833
57.89%
10
922 (46.20%)
2,939
1.45
0.83
2,718
59.11%
10
139 (39.57%)
2,894
1.49
1.34
2,789
58.27%
10
364 (40.66%)
2,720
1.64
1.55
2,955
54.40%
10
116 (31.90%)
2,595
1.56
1.84
2,808
51.72%
10
196 (32.14%)
2,933
1.39
1.93
2,846
60.20%
10
52 (38.46%)
2,703
1.06
2.04
2,323
59.62%
10
309 (41.42%)
2,708
1.61
1.61
2,915
62.46%
10
108 (36.11%)
2,845
1.56
1.73
2,601
57.41%
10
215 (37.67%)
2,586
1.06
1.36
2,219
53.95%
10
204 (41.67%)
2,703
1.62
1.88
2,563
63.73%
10
94 (42.55%)
2,602
1.60
1.17
2,306
62.77%
10
86 (46.51%)
2,945
1.21
1.30
2,587
65.12%
10
54 (37.04%)
2,585
1.30
1.35
2,348
51.85%
10
24 (33.33%)
2,267
1.08
1.96
2,024
62.50%
10
189 (42.86%)
2,968
1.67
1.73
3,295
56.61%
10
170 (48.82%)
3,336
1.98
1.06
3,600
67.65%
10
192 (35.94%)
2,945
1.25
1.49
2,168
61.46%
10
9 (44.44%)
1,850
0.78
1.11
1,428
66.67%
10
229 (40.61%)
2,757
1.40
1.64
2,724
58.52%
10
627 (45.30%)
3,320
1.52
1.28
3,211
60.45%
10
215 (44.65%)
2,868
1.91
0.42
2,513
60.93%
10
99 (33.33%)
3,163
1.39
1.77
3,101
55.56%
9
468 (31.20%)
1,353
1.25
2.53
2,707
58.76%
9
182 (41.21%)
2,304
1.38
1.40
2,637
59.34%
9
136 (39.71%)
2,362
1.96
0.67
2,773
50.74%
9
107 (45.79%)
2,992
1.64
1.58
3,416
60.75%
9
36 (38.89%)
2,308
1.28
1.86
2,874,678
41.67%
9
96 (31.25%)
+1
2,543
-7.21
1.33
2.38
-0.02
2,373,346
-6,826.38
57.29%
+0.45%
9
109 (44.04%)
2,598
1.39
1.45
3,001
56.88%
9
913 (40.74%)
2,930
1.61
1.55
3,799
64.84%
9
149 (36.24%)
2,657
1.41
1.34
3,292
53.69%
9
184 (43.48%)
1,670
0.80
0.01
1,639
52.17%
9
378 (39.95%)
1,734
0.92
0.03
1,800
51.32%
9
407 (41.03%)
2,266
1.39
0.60
2,296
54.79%
9
65 (30.77%)
2,176
1.17
1.97
2,032,126
53.85%
9
323 (39.94%)
1,995
1.37
1.75
2,350
53.56%
9
261 (47.89%)
+1
1,552
-1.29
0.79
0.04
1,679
-5.61
53.64%
-0.21%
9
252 (42.06%)
2,305
1.71
1.74
3,248
65.08%
9
62 (37.10%)
2,302
1.06
1.40
2,512
58.06%
9
75 (42.67%)
+2
1,913
+22.44
1.00
+0.01
1.33
+0.02
4,068,699
+67,057.79
58.67%
+1.13%
9
219 (37.44%)
2,548
1.65
1.54
3,318
62.10%
9
453 (33.77%)
1,994
1.16
1.47
2,334
53.42%
9
281 (38.43%)
2,591
1.66
1.84
3,859
63.35%
9
138 (23.91%)
1,648
1.30
1.94
3,148
56.52%
9
418 (27.51%)
+2
1,421
-0.18
0.92
2.37
2,475
-8.01
58.61%
-0.28%
9
167 (43.11%)
2,676
1.96
1.07
3,532
61.68%
9
229 (36.24%)
2,183
0.96
0.87
2,515
58.95%
9
102 (46.08%)
2,289
1.48
1.03
2,802
62.75%
9
212 (55.66%)
2,630
1.78
0.58
3,044
63.21%
9
257 (31.52%)
2,690
1.13
1.81
3,140
57.59%
9
106 (54.72%)
2,688
1.46
0.78
2,863
63.21%
9
508 (38.78%)
2,098
1.39
1.74
2,851
56.10%
9
55 (14.55%)
1,278
0.96
3.24
2,134
47.27%
8
105 (37.14%)
1,882
1.30
1.47
2,975
59.05%
8
273 (36.26%)
1,856
1.64
1.31
2,873
59.71%
8
59 (37.29%)
1,718
1.19
0.76
2,812
64.41%
8
184 (35.87%)
1,828
1.40
1.67
3,305
53.80%
8
87 (31.03%)
2,441
1.51
1.47
3,767
56.32%
8
95 (27.37%)
2,047
1.36
1.64
3,293
58.95%
8
61 (34.43%)
1,725
1.20
1.79
2,743
55.74%
8
307 (41.37%)
2,102
1.41
1.11
3,107
59.61%
8
78 (55.13%)
2,449
1.64
1.76
3,108
70.51%
8
118 (22.88%)
1,546
1.42
3.39
3,547
61.02%
8
68 (30.88%)
1,139
0.79
3.06
2,195
54.41%
8
50 (40.00%)
1,749
1.30
1.18
2,331
64.00%
8
100 (35.00%)
1,907
1.26
1.53
2,847
65.00%
8
86 (30.23%)
1,598
0.98
1.57
2,381
54.65%
8
502 (34.66%)
1,228
1.02
0.04
1,651
45.02%
8
35 (25.71%)
1,270
0.91
2.43
2,317
34.29%
8
267 (33.33%)
1,358
1.15
1.24
2,162
52.43%
8
394 (32.74%)
1,453
1.09
1.03
1,974
55.08%
8
412 (37.86%)
1,942
1.22
1.41
2,717
62.62%
8
58 (31.03%)
2,003
1.24
1.76
2,654
56.90%
8
46 (28.26%)
1,663
0.89
1.00
1,974
41.30%
8
337 (34.72%)
1,571
1.15
0.75
1,935
53.41%
8
1 (0.00%)
1,999
2.00
0.00
2,740
100.00%
8
46 (41.30%)
1,513
1.41
1.91
3,579
65.22%
8
44 (40.91%)
1,926
1.16
1.57
3,331,157
65.91%
8
114 (44.74%)
1,384
0.84
0.04
1,624
50.00%
8
102 (31.37%)
1,367
1.51
2.65
3,724
62.75%
8
99 (41.41%)
1,907
1.24
0.83
2,917
64.65%
8
492 (40.45%)
1,962
1.53
1.54
3,436
64.23%
8
52 (36.54%)
1,666
1.31
1.38
2,495
65.38%
8
107 (45.79%)
1,965
1.65
1.17
3,550
65.42%
8
269 (37.17%)
1,989
1.66
1.87
2,899
66.17%
8
637 (42.07%)
+2
2,146
-2.16
1.64
0.70
2,907
-6.11
57.61%
-0.02%
8
91 (38.46%)
2,137
1.43
0.53
2,611
61.54%
8
69 (36.23%)
1,631
1.10
1.25
2,682
63.77%
8
167 (35.93%)
2,043
1.23
0.41
2,289
48.50%
8
100 (25.00%)
1,570
0.99
1.64
2,276
52.00%
8
11 (36.36%)
1,413
1.36
2.00
2,372
63.64%
8
847 (41.68%)
1,624
1.30
1.31
2,808
57.38%
8
20 (40.00%)
2,017
1.10
1.55
2,929
65.00%
8
147 (33.33%)
+2
1,794
+8.48
0.91
+0.01
1.07
2,500
+18.52
55.10%
-0.07%
8
618 (41.26%)
1,986
1.79
1.61
3,729
58.74%
8
234 (37.18%)
1,715
1.15
1.95
2,820
62.39%
8
134 (42.54%)
2,071
1.51
1.10
3,436
60.45%
8
56 (35.71%)
1,946
1.09
0.84
3,580,992
41.07%
8
721 (39.81%)
2,042
1.42
1.80
3,213
58.95%
8
192 (38.02%)
1,952
1.15
0.46
2,464
57.81%
8
70 (42.86%)
2,027
1.50
1.01
2,574
67.14%
8
764 (28.53%)
1,218
0.99
3.05
2,726
56.15%
7
129 (40.31%)
1,359
1.80
2.42
3,213
67.44%
7
111 (22.52%)
1,042
1.05
3.07
2,565
54.95%
7
116 (29.31%)
952
1.05
2.23
2,322
56.03%
7
105 (36.19%)
1,417
1.28
1.02
2,520
57.14%
7
53 (33.96%)
1,641
1.85
0.91
3,064
64.15%
7
42 (33.33%)
1,236
1.05
0.48
1,961
45.24%
7
166 (29.52%)
1,395
1.44
2.14
2,920
60.84%
7
140 (55.71%)
1,049
0.94
0.09
1,920
63.57%
7
235 (44.68%)
1,525
1.97
1.75
3,012
63.40%
7
1 (0.00%)
1,268
1.00
2.00
2,144
100.00%
7
604 (46.69%)
+2
1,140
-1.95
1.17
0.05
1,725
-5.15
54.97%
-0.02%
7
267 (32.58%)
898
0.93
0.93
1,306
57.30%
7
45 (53.33%)
2,058
1.73
1.44
3,861
68.89%
7
218 (20.18%)
823
0.80
0.62
1,036
47.71%
7
25 (20.00%)
1,325
1.12
2.16
2,440
56.00%
7
103 (38.83%)
1,499
1.35
1.23
2,476
51.46%
7
37 (16.22%)
1,249
1.11
1.97
2,164
54.05%
7
116 (46.55%)
1,545
1.65
1.45
3,515
65.52%
7
4 (50.00%)
1,595
1.25
0.00
2,167
75.00%
7
27 (40.74%)
1,538
1.37
1.11
2,719
66.67%
7
60 (38.33%)
1,429
1.55
1.92
3,867
53.33%
7
121 (36.36%)
1,268
1.20
0.60
2,192
56.20%
7
23 (47.83%)
1,554
1.13
0.48
2,377
47.83%
7
3 (33.33%)
1,185
1.67
1.33
2,158
66.67%
7
101 (41.58%)
1,519
1.65
0.74
2,864
61.39%
7
86 (27.91%)
1,312
1.43
2.56
2,688
46.51%
7
145 (48.97%)
1,597
1.57
0.97
3,161
59.31%
7
252 (21.83%)
1,049
1.00
2.45
2,620
53.97%
7
128 (31.25%)
1,073
0.97
2.48
2,906
56.25%
7
174 (26.44%)
763
0.93
1.83
1,324
53.45%
7
244 (16.39%)
533
0.52
2.02
947
45.90%
6
153 (9.80%)
271
0.42
1.93
666
54.25%
6
60 (25.00%)
946
1.53
2.45
2,659
50.00%
6
27 (33.33%)
1,235
1.96
0.89
3,349
70.37%
6
128 (22.66%)
590
0.86
1.55
1,804
51.56%
6
126 (27.78%)
1,030
1.21
0.89
2,127
44.44%
6
34 (44.12%)
1,323
2.21
1.29
3,963
67.65%
6
381 (31.23%)
1,125
1.64
2.38
3,215
62.99%
6
59 (27.12%)
461
1.05
1.54
1,617
62.71%
6
156 (36.54%)
828
1.25
0.31
1,864
52.56%
6
17 (41.18%)
1,324
1.12
1.29
2,768
76.47%
6
145 (42.76%)
824
1.12
0.08
1,358
45.52%
6
137 (24.82%)
611
0.89
0.48
1,094
54.01%
6
304 (36.84%)
1,054
1.37
0.85
2,288
56.91%
6
200 (28.50%)
546
0.73
0.50
796
51.00%
6
43 (41.86%)
1,137
1.77
0.42
2,360
55.81%
6
95 (33.68%)
1,198
1.13
0.69
2,304
56.84%
6
35 (40.00%)
1,143
1.43
1.09
2,773
54.29%
6
194 (37.63%)
996
1.57
1.19
2,676
63.40%
6
23 (26.09%)
931
1.52
1.17
2,068
47.83%
6
100 (29.00%)
1,031
1.31
0.79
2,098
51.00%
6
38 (21.05%)
1,078
1.45
1.34
2,229
73.68%
6
3 (0.00%)
930
0.33
2.67
n/a
2,128
33.33%
6
89 (12.36%)
461
0.49
1.99
1,286
53.93%
6
66 (28.79%)
907
1.15
2.29
3,163
57.58%
6
30 (36.67%)
1,034
1.27
0.67
2,238
63.33%
6
53 (26.42%)
969
1.45
1.40
2,418
56.60%
6
94 (18.09%)
680
0.93
3.29
2,055
55.32%
6
39 (28.21%)
838
1.21
2.31
3,511
61.54%
6
11 (9.09%)
821
0.82
2.18
587,744
90.91%
6
173 (24.86%)
483
0.75
1.34
923
56.07%
6
43 (20.93%)
851
1.30
1.37
1,874
44.19%
6
68 (27.94%)
1,210
1.62
0.97
3,017
54.41%
5
30 (23.33%)
611
1.13
0.70
1,651
50.00%
5
194 (23.20%)
515
0.79
2.25
2,099
59.79%
5
20 (45.00%)
951
2.45
0.55
3,229
50.00%
5
44 (56.82%)
286
0.80
0.34
647
63.64%
5
64 (35.94%)
691
1.39
1.09
1,931
64.06%
5
25 (56.00%)
401
1.00
0.04
928
64.00%
5
26 (30.77%)
721
1.38
3.58
3,704
69.23%
5
26 (30.77%)
904
1.35
2.15
3,430
57.69%
5
223 (30.94%)
664
1.35
1.05
2,335
55.16%
5
19 (36.84%)
939
1.47
1.21
2,716
63.16%
5
36 (13.89%)
290
0.69
1.25
1,190
50.00%
5
149 (48.32%)
485
1.09
0.11
1,152
55.03%
5
171 (32.16%)
549
1.17
0.75
1,296
51.46%
5
18 (33.33%)
920
1.39
1.83
2,518
72.22%
5
24 (37.50%)
408
0.83
2.58
1,774
62.50%
5
58 (43.10%)
764
1.12
0.10
1,417
46.55%
5
59 (28.81%)
700
1.78
2.27
2,507
64.41%
5
57 (21.05%)
486
1.18
1.81
2,411
64.91%
5
30 (33.33%)
1,138
1.80
1.60
2,869
63.33%
5
16 (31.25%)
643
1.13
1.44
2,209
56.25%
5
104 (22.12%)
359
0.95
0.75
1,007
50.00%
5
57 (21.05%)
615
1.12
0.61
1,629
50.88%
5
7 (28.57%)
701
1.14
0.71
1,798
71.43%
5
12 (33.33%)
813
1.00
1.92
2,788
83.33%
5
266 (22.93%)
517
0.98
0.68
1,297
50.38%
5
6 (33.33%)
537
1.33
0.33
1,549
66.67%
5
61 (22.95%)
490
0.84
1.20
1,492
55.74%
5
35 (17.14%)
169
0.46
1.40
387
42.86%
5
95 (29.47%)
723
1.42
1.71
2,031
57.89%
5
13 (30.77%)
803
1.54
1.23
2,371
61.54%
5
134 (22.39%)
418
0.93
1.38
1,344
60.45%
5
67 (29.85%)
576
0.91
0.96
1,242
47.76%
5
29 (27.59%)
690
1.48
0.76
1,917
55.17%
4
55 (32.73%)
222
0.82
0.47
507
50.91%
4
31 (22.58%)
137
0.29
0.48
377
38.71%
4
46 (28.26%)
197
0.46
0.65
465
43.48%
4
29 (51.72%)
347
0.69
0.07
1,359
58.62%
4
23 (30.43%)
377
0.83
1.26
1,488
56.52%
4
12 (33.33%)
240
1.17
1.42
1,125
66.67%
4
6 (33.33%)
301
1.33
0.50
1,043
100.00%
4
85 (20.00%)
237
0.80
0.32
524
48.24%
4
11 (27.27%)
500
1.36
1.18
2,153
27.27%
4
70 (21.43%)
358
0.79
2.21
1,481
51.43%
4
27 (11.11%)
211
0.52
0.44
511
33.33%
4
51 (13.73%)
236
0.47
2.06
989
52.94%
4
51 (7.84%)
122
0.29
2.63
283
47.06%
4
5 (40.00%)
602
2.40
0.00
2,221
60.00%
4
45 (15.56%)
325
0.84
0.62
920
62.22%
4
48 (39.58%)
590
1.38
1.08
2,416
70.83%
4
12 (25.00%)
412
1.50
1.50
1,670
75.00%
4
16 (31.25%)
559
1.88
1.75
3,224
62.50%
4
15 (20.00%)
635
1.47
1.87
1,900
46.67%
4
14 (28.57%)
506
0.50
0.79
1,061,658
50.00%
4
56 (51.79%)
273
0.64
0.07
919
66.07%
4
7 (14.29%)
275
1.14
0.29
775
57.14%
4
11 (54.55%)
148
0.64
0.00
163
45.45%
4
74 (18.92%)
205
0.61
0.50
557
51.35%
4
8 (25.00%)
471
0.88
3.00
1,391
62.50%
4
34 (29.41%)
364
1.00
0.79
951
52.94%
4
1 (100.00%)
446
1.00
0.00
1,718
100.00%
4
47 (23.40%)
195
0.81
0.36
599
57.45%
4
62 (25.81%)
140
0.45
0.84
292
48.39%
3
1 (0.00%)
561
1.00
0.00
2,907
0.00%
3
19 (36.84%)
358
1.42
1.58
2,336
68.42%
3
13 (15.38%)
170
0.77
0.92
646
61.54%
3
5 (40.00%)
229
1.00
0.80
773
40.00%
3
5 (0.00%)
167
0.40
0.60
593
40.00%
3
19 (26.32%)
174
0.63
0.37
634
52.63%
3
97 (46.39%)
490
1.74
0.52
1,774
58.76%
3
1 (100.00%)
818
4.00
0.00
6,471
100.00%
3
7 (42.86%)
461
2.00
1.00
2,338
85.71%
3
24 (8.33%)
113
0.58
0.50
217
41.67%
3
15 (20.00%)
209
0.47
2.20
940
53.33%
3
7 (14.29%)
136
0.57
0.14
175
42.86%
3
34 (20.59%)
167
0.79
0.35
360
50.00%
3
2 (0.00%)
204
1.00
1.00
n/a
745
0.00%
3
20 (15.00%)
233
0.55
1.10
709
35.00%
3
157 (17.83%)
224
0.96
3.99
1,074
44.59%
3
88 (18.18%)
123
0.43
1.13
423
53.41%
3
18 (11.11%)
170
0.61
1.89
598
44.44%
3
16 (31.25%)
478
2.31
2.31
2,408
56.25%
3
1 (0.00%)
165
1.00
0.00
776
100.00%
3
5 (40.00%)
347
1.00
1.40
1,436
40.00%
3
17 (41.18%)
122
0.53
0.06
110
41.18%
3
36 (19.44%)
151
0.67
0.50
506
41.67%
3
15 (13.33%)
178
0.93
0.20
543
60.00%
3
3 (66.67%)
407
2.67
2.00
3,718
66.67%
3
24 (16.67%)
182
0.54
0.75
451
45.83%
3
15 (26.67%)
345
1.00
0.40
1,520
53.33%
3
26 (46.15%)
180
0.85
0.08
596
53.85%
2
3 (0.00%)
0
0.00
0.33
n/a
0
0.00%
2
2 (100.00%)
375
1.50
0.00
2,466
100.00%
2
3 (66.67%)
451
1.33
1.33
2,528
100.00%
2
6 (16.67%)
65
0.33
0.33
308
66.67%
2
11 (27.27%)
123
0.64
0.09
290
45.45%
2
3 (33.33%)
73
0.33
0.00
140
33.33%
2
12 (25.00%)
46
0.33
0.08
33
33.33%
2
5 (40.00%)
139
0.80
0.00
679
60.00%
2
6 (16.67%)
93
0.50
0.50
310
33.33%
2
2 (50.00%)
94
0.50
0.00
446
50.00%
2
3 (33.33%)
198
1.33
3.67
965
33.33%
2
2 (0.00%)
57
0.00
0.00
n/a
274
100.00%
2
17 (17.65%)
93
0.47
0.59
340
52.94%
2
7 (0.00%)
100
0.86
2.14
530
57.14%
2
20 (30.00%)
41
0.35
0.30
37
45.00%
2
3 (33.33%)
98
0.67
2.00
553
66.67%
2
20 (25.00%)
101
0.75
0.35
237
50.00%
2
4 (0.00%)
207
0.50
0.50
855
25.00%
2
4 (50.00%)
320
1.50
0.00
2,285
75.00%
2
11 (18.18%)
47
0.45
0.09
42
45.45%
2
4 (25.00%)
139
1.00
0.25
864
75.00%
2
7 (42.86%)
319
1.57
2.14
2,727
85.71%
2
42 (30.95%)
317
1.48
2.50
2,376
59.52%
2
1 (0.00%)
317
5.00
1.00
2,256
100.00%
2
12 (8.33%)
135
0.58
1.42
516
58.33%
2
26 (7.69%)
180
1.08
0.96
1,063
46.15%
2
13 (23.08%)
174
0.62
0.85
1,008
61.54%
2
8 (12.50%)
243
1.63
1.25
1,365
37.50%
2
7 (14.29%)
298
1.43
2.14
2,857
85.71%
2
29 (6.90%)
114
0.55
0.28
253
34.48%
2
3 (66.67%)
128
0.67
0.00
632
66.67%
1
4 (50.00%)
83
0.75
0.50
523
75.00%
1
3 (0.00%)
74
0.33
1.67
n/a
155
0.00%
1
3 (0.00%)
10
0.33
0.67
n/a
1
0.00%
1
1 (0.00%)
0
0.00
0.00
n/a
0
0.00%
1
1 (0.00%)
84
0.00
0.00
461
100.00%
1
1 (0.00%)
32
0.00
1.00
n/a
261
100.00%
1
1 (100.00%)
136
1.00
1.00
969
100.00%
1
71 (11.27%)
203
1.46
2.48
1,479
53.52%
Gold cost of prem vehicles: 0
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Creadits spent on regular vhicles: 0
Credits to gold: 0

Total Gold: 0
Total USD: $0.00

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