Players ShinixShiro [KITTY]    

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Players Tanks: 194 All Tanks   |   Recent Tanks
Tier Nation Tank Type Battles (Survived%) Damage Frags Spotted Mastery WN8 Win Other Players
10 AMX M4 54 Stats / Compare 36 (19.44%) 1,363 0.61 1.06 836 38.89% vs. Server
10 Concept 5 Stats / Compare 18 (11.11%) 1,499 0.67 0.78 n/a 1,733,171 5.56% vs. Server
10 E 100 Stats / Compare 30 (23.33%) 1,938 0.83 0.90 1,439 36.67% vs. Server
10 EBR 105 Stats / Compare 141 (9.22%) 799 0.43 4.83 671 46.81% vs. Server
10 Foch 155 Stats / Compare 58 (34.48%) 1,952 1.00 0.83 1,431 48.28% vs. Server
10 FV215b Stats / Compare 13 (7.69%) +1 1,047 -19.62 0.15 -0.01 0.46 +0.04 636 +24.12 53.85% +3.85% vs. Server
10 FV215b 183 Stats / Compare 276 (31.88%) 1,827 0.92 0.31 1,234 43.84% vs. Server
10 FV4005 Stats / Compare 189 (29.63%) 1,512 0.68 0.37 904 46.56% vs. Server
10 G.W. E 100 Stats / Compare 13 (30.77%) 929 0.31 0.00 494 38.46% vs. Server
10 Grille 15 Stats / Compare 92 (31.52%) 1,854 0.80 0.59 1,252 48.91% vs. Server
10 Ho-Ri 3 Stats / Compare 26 (26.92%) 1,963 0.42 0.73 4,010,735 42.31% vs. Server
10 IS-7 Stats / Compare 13 (30.77%) 1,639 0.77 1.69 1,418 61.54% vs. Server
10 Kranvagn Stats / Compare 5 (0.00%) 1,323 0.60 0.80 966 80.00% vs. Server
10 Manticore Stats / Compare 19 (26.32%) +3 1,046 -13.12 0.58 +0.02 3.00 -0.19 990 -85.26 42.11% -7.89% vs. Server
10 Maus Stats / Compare 96 (26.04%) 1,556 0.46 0.89 1,103 58.33% vs. Server
10 Obj. 705A Stats / Compare 47 (31.91%) 1,724 0.62 1.21 1,195 51.06% vs. Server
10 Object 452K Stats / Compare 35 (22.86%) 1,648 0.31 1.31 2,143,599 54.29% vs. Server
10 Rinoceronte Stats / Compare 39 (25.64%) 1,840 0.92 1.00 2,987,876 56.41% vs. Server
10 S. Conqueror Stats / Compare 38 (10.53%) 1,438 0.26 1.16 775 44.74% vs. Server
10 Strv 103B Stats / Compare 8 (12.50%) 3,402 0.88 1.13 2,427 50.00% vs. Server
10 T-100 LT Stats / Compare 11 (27.27%) +2 837 +56.17 0.27 -0.06 4.27 -0.39 873 +43.59 63.64% -3.03% vs. Server
10 T110E3 Stats / Compare 7 (0.00%) 1,201 0.29 1.00 n/a 488 14.29% vs. Server
10 T57 Heavy Stats / Compare 22 (22.73%) 1,591 0.82 0.68 1,090 50.00% vs. Server
10 Type 5 H Stats / Compare 23 (17.39%) 1,875 0.74 0.65 1,333 56.52% vs. Server
10 Type 71 Stats / Compare 7 (28.57%) +1 2,044 +439.36 0.86 +0.02 1.29 +0.12 2,924,420 +660,637.90 57.14% +7.14% vs. Server
10 WT E 100 Stats / Compare 3 (33.33%) 1,739 0.33 0.33 776 33.33% vs. Server
10 WZ-111 QL Stats / Compare 30 (23.33%) 1,464 0.43 1.40 1,608,650 46.67% vs. Server
9 AE Phase I Stats / Compare 17 (0.00%) 1,320 0.41 2.18 775 29.41% vs. Server
9 AMX M4 51 Stats / Compare 31 (25.81%) 1,664 0.87 1.16 1,474 58.06% vs. Server
9 Char Futur 4 Stats / Compare 46 (34.78%) 1,741 0.91 1.93 2,025,078 56.52% vs. Server
9 Char Mle. 75 Stats / Compare 9 (0.00%) 514 0.33 1.22 298,899 33.33% vs. Server
9 Chieftain P. Stats / Compare 23 (43.48%) 1,326 0.78 1.70 1,690,444 65.22% vs. Server
9 Cobra Stats / Compare 3 (0.00%) 1,693 1.67 0.67 3,795,176 66.67% vs. Server
9 Conqueror Stats / Compare 20 (0.00%) 1,193 0.50 1.35 893 50.00% vs. Server
9 Conway Stats / Compare 105 (15.24%) 1,209 0.49 0.56 776 38.10% vs. Server
9 E 75 Stats / Compare 25 (8.00%) 1,067 0.40 1.08 713 40.00% vs. Server
9 EBR 90 Stats / Compare 42 (2.38%) 689 0.33 4.02 901 61.90% vs. Server
9 GSOR Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 490 0.00 1.00 n/a 339 0.00% vs. Server
9 IS-3-II Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 1,033 0.50 0.00 n/a 1,377,829 50.00% vs. Server
9 K-91-PT Stats / Compare 20 (5.00%) 1,341 0.75 1.20 2,202,387 30.00% vs. Server
9 Kunze Panzer Stats / Compare 6 (33.33%) 2,374 0.83 2.17 3,189,426 50.00% vs. Server
9 Mäuschen Stats / Compare 6 (16.67%) 934 0.50 0.50 516 16.67% vs. Server
9 Obj. 752 Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 738 0.00 1.50 n/a 945,761 0.00% vs. Server
9 Progetto 66 Stats / Compare 13 (7.69%) 904 0.38 0.92 1,296,857 38.46% vs. Server
9 Strv 103-0 Stats / Compare 66 (31.82%) +2 1,847 -46.01 1.06 -0.03 0.53 +0.01 1,650 -68.35 48.48% -1.52% vs. Server
9 Strv K Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 957 1.00 2.00 n/a 1,463,654 100.00% vs. Server
9 T 54D Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 1,378 0.25 0.25 n/a 1,665,495 75.00% vs. Server
9 T54E1 Stats / Compare 26 (11.54%) 1,304 0.58 0.96 999 46.15% vs. Server
9 T95 Stats / Compare 171 (39.18%) 2,000 1.05 0.65 1,737 56.73% vs. Server
9 TL-7 Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 1,693 0.50 0.75 3,306,437 50.00% vs. Server
9 Tortoise Stats / Compare 7 (71.43%) 1,372 1.00 0.71 1,260 71.43% vs. Server
9 Type 4 H Stats / Compare 70 (17.14%) 1,276 0.44 0.77 1,047 51.43% vs. Server
9 WT auf Pz. IV Stats / Compare 114 (25.44%) 1,550 0.71 0.55 1,129 42.98% vs. Server
8 122 TM Stats / Compare 14 (35.71%) 1,567 0.86 0.93 2,581,925 42.86% vs. Server
8 703 II (122) Stats / Compare 93 (15.05%) 1,165 0.68 1.09 994 45.16% vs. Server
8 A.P. AMX 30 Stats / Compare 51 (25.49%) 1,438 0.63 1.55 1,444,749 50.98% vs. Server
8 Alembic Stats / Compare 2 (50.00%) 1,852 3.00 0.50 3,371,526 100.00% vs. Server
8 Alpine Tiger Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 3,225 1.00 0.00 3,678 0.00% vs. Server
8 AMX 65 t Stats / Compare 25 (12.00%) 830 0.32 0.72 748 44.00% vs. Server
8 AT 15 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 0 0.00 0.00 n/a 0 0.00% vs. Server
8 Škoda T 27 Stats / Compare 10 (0.00%) 1,085 0.80 1.70 1,068 30.00% vs. Server
8 Škoda T 56 Stats / Compare 47 (36.17%) 1,884 1.11 1.30 2,988,512 57.45% vs. Server
8 Bisonte C45 Stats / Compare 184 (27.17%) 1,470 0.79 1.42 2,150,537 54.89% vs. Server
8 Bourrasque Stats / Compare 63 (15.87%) 1,196 0.76 2.33 1,034,653 52.38% vs. Server
8 BZ-176 Stats / Compare 57 (33.33%) +1 1,631 +42.46 0.74 +0.02 0.93 -0.02 2,143,190 +65,662.06 61.40% +0.69% vs. Server
8 Caernarvon AX Stats / Compare 55 (18.18%) 1,072 0.89 1.60 1,387 58.18% vs. Server
8 Caliban Stats / Compare 115 (31.30%) 1,381 0.92 0.96 2,918,303 54.78% vs. Server
8 Centurion 5/1 Stats / Compare 11 (27.27%) 1,085 0.82 1.27 1,296 45.45% vs. Server
8 Charioteer Stats / Compare 104 (10.58%) 929 0.48 0.93 794 46.15% vs. Server
8 Chieftain/T95 Stats / Compare 3 (0.00%) 736 0.00 1.00 n/a 797 66.67% vs. Server
8 CS-52 LIS Stats / Compare 6 (0.00%) +1 466 -39.63 0.00 2.17 +0.17 n/a 465,167 -39,777.31 33.33% -6.67% vs. Server
8 Defender Stats / Compare 36 (16.67%) 1,683 0.92 1.50 1,917 61.11% vs. Server
8 E 75 TS Stats / Compare 27 (7.41%) 1,112 0.59 1.81 1,016 51.85% vs. Server
8 ELC EVEN 90 Stats / Compare 96 (12.50%) 579 0.44 3.20 782 41.67% vs. Server
8 EMIL 1951 Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 387 0.00 2.00 n/a 172 50.00% vs. Server
8 Emil I Stats / Compare 25 (16.00%) 1,138 0.60 0.68 938 36.00% vs. Server
8 Forest Spirit Stats / Compare 10 (10.00%) +1 1,528 +81.84 0.90 +0.12 0.10 -0.01 5,950,983 +462,396.06 20.00% +8.89% vs. Server
8 FV207 Stats / Compare 14 (57.14%) 892 0.71 0.00 1,094 64.29% vs. Server
8 G.W. Tiger P Stats / Compare 55 (30.91%) 1,209 0.67 0.00 1,241 40.00% vs. Server
8 GSOR 1008 Stats / Compare 21 (28.57%) 1,545 1.14 0.62 4,216,010 38.10% vs. Server
8 GSOR 1010 Stats / Compare 45 (11.11%) 955 0.51 1.58 1,040,948 44.44% vs. Server
8 Ho-Ri 2 Stats / Compare 9 (22.22%) 1,405 0.67 0.56 4,072,672 44.44% vs. Server
8 IS-2-II Stats / Compare 37 (18.92%) 1,045 0.78 1.03 2,196,035 48.65% vs. Server
8 ISU-152K Stats / Compare 148 (37.16%) 1,435 0.93 0.22 6,789,034 45.95% vs. Server
8 Jagdtiger Pr Stats / Compare 5 (20.00%) 977 0.60 0.40 n/a 2,396,856 80.00% vs. Server
8 JgTig.8,8 cm Stats / Compare 91 (16.48%) 812 0.35 0.85 677 43.96% vs. Server
8 K-2 Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 963 0.00 0.00 1,290,724 50.00% vs. Server
8 Ka-Ri Stats / Compare 8 (37.50%) 1,999 1.50 0.13 5,526,536 100.00% vs. Server
8 KanJPz 105 Stats / Compare 63 (9.52%) 1,019 0.52 0.83 824 41.27% vs. Server
8 KV-4 KTTS Stats / Compare 3 (33.33%) 1,774 1.00 2.00 2,391 33.33% vs. Server
8 Lansen C Stats / Compare 9 (11.11%) 755 0.67 2.33 615 44.44% vs. Server
8 Löwe Stats / Compare 178 (23.60%) 1,052 0.46 1.08 1,081 52.81% vs. Server
8 LHMTV Stats / Compare 10 (20.00%) 623 0.40 3.10 794 30.00% vs. Server
8 Lorr. 40 t Stats / Compare 8 (12.50%) 1,657 1.25 0.75 1,865 37.50% vs. Server
8 LT-432 Stats / Compare 106 (24.53%) +2 694 +12.72 0.55 +0.02 3.45 +0.03 1,062 +24.80 48.11% -0.93% vs. Server
8 Lynx 6x6 Stats / Compare 21 (4.76%) 473 0.57 3.76 638 47.62% vs. Server
8 M-IV-Y Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 1,436 0.00 2.00 n/a 1,681,779 0.00% vs. Server
8 M48 RPz Stats / Compare 3 (0.00%) 661 0.00 1.33 n/a 681 100.00% vs. Server
8 M6A2E1 Stats / Compare 56 (12.50%) 935 0.48 1.36 955 51.79% vs. Server
8 Miel Stats / Compare 9 (11.11%) 1,269 1.11 2.33 1,103,707 22.22% vs. Server
8 MKpz 68 (P) Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 1,224 0.50 0.00 n/a 1,836,474 0.00% vs. Server
8 Nomad Stats / Compare 18 (33.33%) 1,528 0.83 0.39 3,880,945 61.11% vs. Server
8 Progetto 46 Stats / Compare 16 (12.50%) 1,161 0.88 1.50 1,117 43.75% vs. Server
8 Progetto 54 Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 594 0.00 0.00 n/a 771,694 100.00% vs. Server
8 Renegade Stats / Compare 74 (13.51%) 1,057 0.50 1.59 914 60.81% vs. Server
8 Rhm.-B. WT Stats / Compare 96 (19.79%) 1,189 0.73 0.46 1,025 42.71% vs. Server
8 ShPTK-TVP Stats / Compare 61 (19.67%) +1 1,307 -12.29 0.85 -0.01 0.38 +0.01 3,285,521 -40,723.73 40.98% -0.68% vs. Server
8 Skorpion G Stats / Compare 199 (18.59%) 1,241 0.68 0.51 1,099 42.21% vs. Server
8 Strv S1 Stats / Compare 50 (16.00%) 1,327 0.68 0.48 1,126 30.00% vs. Server
8 SU-130PM Stats / Compare 22 (22.73%) 1,205 0.95 0.68 1,105 45.45% vs. Server
8 T-54 mod. 1 Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 838 0.50 1.50 n/a 901 50.00% vs. Server
8 T26E4 Stats / Compare 116 (28.45%) 713 0.54 0.72 710 44.83% vs. Server
8 T28 Stats / Compare 35 (31.43%) 1,274 0.60 0.37 1,249 54.29% vs. Server
8 T69 Stats / Compare 15 (13.33%) 744 0.47 1.07 623 26.67% vs. Server
8 TL-1 LPC Stats / Compare 2 (50.00%) 490 0.50 0.50 341 50.00% vs. Server
8 TNH 105/1000 Stats / Compare 9 (22.22%) 840 0.44 1.22 1,212,429 33.33% vs. Server
8 Tornvagn Stats / Compare 12 (41.67%) 1,488 1.08 0.67 3,233,775 50.00% vs. Server
8 TS-5 Stats / Compare 137 (25.55%) 1,368 0.89 0.91 1,341 55.47% vs. Server
8 Turtle I Stats / Compare 38 (15.79%) 1,282 0.63 0.66 1,219 52.63% vs. Server
8 Type 57 Stats / Compare 11 (18.18%) 761 0.45 0.82 1,187,916 72.73% vs. Server
8 Type 63 Stats / Compare 25 (20.00%) 1,345 0.80 1.36 1,886,167 48.00% vs. Server
8 UDES 03 Stats / Compare 22 (40.91%) 1,218 0.59 0.73 1,295 68.18% vs. Server
8 Vipera Stats / Compare 7 (0.00%) 949 0.29 1.14 n/a 1,887,158 0.00% vs. Server
8 VK 100.01 P Stats / Compare 14 (14.29%) 802 0.43 0.79 760 57.14% vs. Server
8 VK 168.01 P Stats / Compare 41 (17.07%) 999 0.46 0.71 983 48.78% vs. Server
8 VK 75.01 K Stats / Compare 35 (5.71%) 768 0.34 0.80 486 28.57% vs. Server
8 XM66F Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 403 0.00 1.00 n/a 715,318 100.00% vs. Server
7 AMX 13 57F Stats / Compare 94 (3.19%) 611 0.52 3.60 1,029 41.49% vs. Server
7 AMX M4 45 Stats / Compare 14 (28.57%) 736 0.29 0.64 718 42.86% vs. Server
7 Carro P.88 Stats / Compare 3 (33.33%) 893 1.33 0.67 1,773,936 66.67% vs. Server
7 Challenger Stats / Compare 49 (8.16%) 651 0.47 0.84 783 61.22% vs. Server
7 Chi-Ri Stats / Compare 8 (25.00%) 552 0.38 1.25 681 50.00% vs. Server
7 E 25 Stats / Compare 54 (22.22%) 904 0.85 1.33 1,253 57.41% vs. Server
7 EBR Hotch. Stats / Compare 26 (3.85%) 574 0.31 3.31 913 42.31% vs. Server
7 G.W. Panther Stats / Compare 49 (36.73%) 818 0.71 0.02 887 51.02% vs. Server
7 IS-2 Stats / Compare 6 (16.67%) 598 0.67 1.33 738 66.67% vs. Server
7 Ju-To Stats / Compare 23 (8.70%) 642 0.39 1.52 860,376 52.17% vs. Server
7 M12 Stats / Compare 2 (50.00%) 817 1.00 0.50 1,038 50.00% vs. Server
7 O-Ni Stats / Compare 24 (12.50%) 831 0.58 1.04 834 41.67% vs. Server
7 S-51 Stats / Compare 38 (42.11%) 690 0.58 0.03 709 50.00% vs. Server
7 Setter Stats / Compare 23 (17.39%) 360 0.13 3.09 457 39.13% vs. Server
7 Super Hellcat Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 354 0.00 1.00 272 50.00% vs. Server
7 T25 AT Stats / Compare 5 (0.00%) 1,142 0.80 1.60 1,429 20.00% vs. Server
7 T71 DA Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 611 0.00 3.00 n/a 791 0.00% vs. Server
7 Tiger I Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 116 0.50 0.50 n/a 3 0.00% vs. Server
6 AC 4 Exp. Stats / Compare 37 (16.22%) 593 0.51 1.27 1,070 64.86% vs. Server
6 AMD 178B Stats / Compare 32 (0.00%) 241 0.31 3.06 361 37.50% vs. Server
6 Chi-To Stats / Compare 4 (75.00%) 1,106 2.00 0.50 2,594 75.00% vs. Server
6 Churchill VII Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 0 0.00 0.00 n/a 0 0.00% vs. Server
6 Dicker Max Stats / Compare 22 (45.45%) 981 0.86 1.36 1,925 54.55% vs. Server
6 Firefly Stats / Compare 14 (0.00%) 221 0.00 0.50 97 21.43% vs. Server
6 Hummel Stats / Compare 25 (20.00%) 464 0.60 0.04 425 36.00% vs. Server
6 KV-1S Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 311 0.00 2.00 n/a 343 0.00% vs. Server
6 KV-2 (R) Stats / Compare 176 (21.59%) 806 0.94 0.70 1,264 50.57% vs. Server
6 M44 Stats / Compare 4 (50.00%) 635 1.25 0.00 1,012 50.00% vs. Server
6 O-I Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 750 0.00 1.00 n/a 846 0.00% vs. Server
6 Strv 74 Stats / Compare 11 (9.09%) 501 0.82 1.18 744 27.27% vs. Server
6 SU-100Y Stats / Compare 29 (20.69%) 757 0.69 0.48 1,223 51.72% vs. Server
5 AMX ELC bis Stats / Compare 34 (0.00%) 184 0.32 2.62 352 38.24% vs. Server
5 Churchill I Stats / Compare 16 (6.25%) 214 0.31 1.06 206 43.75% vs. Server
5 Excelsior Stats / Compare 24 (25.00%) 420 0.67 1.25 751 45.83% vs. Server
5 Grille Stats / Compare 9 (0.00%) 382 0.22 0.00 493 11.11% vs. Server
5 KV-1 Stats / Compare 11 (27.27%) 393 1.00 0.55 641 36.36% vs. Server
5 M41 HMC Stats / Compare 9 (22.22%) 208 0.44 0.11 43 22.22% vs. Server
5 Matilda BP Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 381 0.00 0.00 890 100.00% vs. Server
5 Pz. IV H Stats / Compare 5 (0.00%) 225 0.20 2.00 n/a 288 20.00% vs. Server
5 Pz.Sfl. IVc Stats / Compare 17 (17.65%) 549 0.53 0.47 1,131 47.06% vs. Server
5 Sherman III Stats / Compare 5 (0.00%) 87 0.00 1.00 n/a 11 40.00% vs. Server
5 Strv m/42 Stats / Compare 9 (22.22%) 274 0.56 1.56 764 88.89% vs. Server
5 StuG IV Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 217 0.00 0.50 346 50.00% vs. Server
5 SU-2-122 Stats / Compare 7 (14.29%) 599 1.29 0.71 2,188,136 42.86% vs. Server
5 T1 Heavy Stats / Compare 5 (20.00%) 221 0.40 0.80 200 40.00% vs. Server
5 T14 Stats / Compare 9 (0.00%) 282 0.33 1.56 342 11.11% vs. Server
5 Valiant Stats / Compare 2 (50.00%) 205 0.00 1.00 n/a 356,723 0.00% vs. Server
4 A25 H.H. I Stats / Compare 3 (0.00%) 402 1.00 2.00 353,408 33.33% vs. Server
4 AMX 40 Stats / Compare 4 (50.00%) 40 0.00 0.00 89 50.00% vs. Server
4 Hetzer Stats / Compare 5 (0.00%) 330 1.40 0.80 855 40.00% vs. Server
4 Luchs Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 220 1.00 6.00 925 100.00% vs. Server
4 M3 Lee Stats / Compare 24 (8.33%) 141 0.33 0.38 398 58.33% vs. Server
4 M8A1 Stats / Compare 31 (9.68%) 183 0.35 1.06 430 61.29% vs. Server
4 Pz.Sfl. IC Stats / Compare 12 (16.67%) 279 0.83 0.92 647,571 50.00% vs. Server
4 T-28 Stats / Compare 9 (11.11%) 360 0.56 0.44 1,229 77.78% vs. Server
4 T82 HMC Stats / Compare 1 (100.00%) 164 1.00 0.00 n/a 263 0.00% vs. Server
3 BT-7 art. Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 587 2.00 1.00 n/a 3,784 0.00% vs. Server
3 M2 Medium Stats / Compare 10 (30.00%) 122 0.90 1.00 529 70.00% vs. Server
3 T-116 Stats / Compare 5 (0.00%) 144 0.40 1.40 n/a 458 20.00% vs. Server
3 T56 GMC Stats / Compare 18 (16.67%) 91 0.22 0.56 40 27.78% vs. Server
2 M2 Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 167 0.50 2.00 922 100.00% vs. Server
2 Medium II Stats / Compare 2 (0.00%) 71 0.50 0.50 n/a 101 0.00% vs. Server
2 T2 Medium Stats / Compare 2 (100.00%) 500 4.50 2.00 n/a 4,678 100.00% vs. Server
2 T3 HMC Stats / Compare 3 (66.67%) 273 2.33 1.00 n/a 1,604 100.00% vs. Server
2 Tetrarch Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 234 2.00 0.00 n/a 1,151 0.00% vs. Server
1 Fiat 3000 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 88 0.00 0.00 n/a 254 0.00% vs. Server
1 T1 Stats / Compare 1 (100.00%) 575 7.00 4.00 n/a 7,857 100.00% vs. Server

Gold cost of prem vehicles: 0
USD Value: $0.00

Creadits spent on regular vhicles: 0
Credits to gold: 0

Total Gold: 0
Total USD: $0.00

1 gold = 400 credits | 250 gold =$1.00 USD
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