Players Nemanja89    

2,197

2,197

Players Tanks: 201 All Tanks   |   Recent Tanks
Tier Nation Tank Type Battles (Survived%) Damage Frags Spotted Mastery WN8 Win Other Players
10 113 Stats / Compare 468 (30.77%) 2,754 1.46 1.84 2,997 54.27% vs. Server
10 121B Stats / Compare 41 (14.63%) 2,089 1.05 1.49 1,638 41.46% vs. Server
10 AMX 30 B Stats / Compare 63 (12.70%) 1,944 0.75 2.02 1,571 50.79% vs. Server
10 AMX 50 B Stats / Compare 490 (33.06%) 3,051 1.61 1.31 3,084 55.71% vs. Server
10 AMX M4 54 Stats / Compare 125 (44.00%) 3,314 1.49 1.18 3,376 62.40% vs. Server
10 B-C 25 t Stats / Compare 156 (21.15%) 2,548 1.29 2.65 2,445 53.85% vs. Server
10 Centurion AX Stats / Compare 657 (35.77%) 3,034 1.68 2.26 3,672 59.06% vs. Server
10 Foch 155 Stats / Compare 89 (29.21%) 2,924 1.35 1.09 2,459 53.93% vs. Server
10 Foch B Stats / Compare 33 (21.21%) 2,429 1.36 1.15 2,027 57.58% vs. Server
10 FV215b Stats / Compare 285 (37.19%) 3,105 1.44 1.35 3,316 55.44% vs. Server
10 IS-4 Stats / Compare 533 (43.90%) 2,843 1.47 1.20 2,982 57.22% vs. Server
10 IS-7 Stats / Compare 2061 (34.89%) 2,709 1.36 1.57 2,847 56.14% vs. Server
10 Obj. 263 Stats / Compare 64 (25.00%) 3,512 1.73 1.70 3,701 67.19% vs. Server
10 Obj. 268 Stats / Compare 219 (37.90%) 3,313 1.67 0.95 3,069 54.79% vs. Server
10 Obj. 268/4 Stats / Compare 42 (52.38%) 4,227 1.86 1.88 4,168 61.90% vs. Server
10 Obj. 277 Stats / Compare 118 (30.51%) 3,077 1.29 1.54 2,675 58.47% vs. Server
10 Obj. 907 Stats / Compare 631 (41.68%) 3,111 1.81 2.26 3,177 61.49% vs. Server
10 S. Conqueror Stats / Compare 63 (36.51%) 3,158 1.24 1.30 2,898 58.73% vs. Server
10 Sheridan Stats / Compare 172 (28.49%) 2,704 1.31 3.34 4,091 55.81% vs. Server
10 T-62A Stats / Compare 184 (25.00%) 2,361 1.07 1.78 2,249 57.07% vs. Server
10 T110E5 Stats / Compare 1376 (33.07%) 2,445 1.21 1.33 2,380 54.14% vs. Server
10 T57 Heavy Stats / Compare 213 (39.91%) 3,174 1.67 1.47 3,222 59.62% vs. Server
10 T95E6 Stats / Compare 211 (32.70%) 2,992 1.30 1.64 2,697 54.98% vs. Server
10 VK 72.01 K Stats / Compare 77 (48.05%) 3,754 1.62 1.40 3,642 59.74% vs. Server
10 WZ-111 5A Stats / Compare 86 (41.86%) 3,539 1.38 2.17 3,367 63.95% vs. Server
9 AMX 30 Stats / Compare 78 (12.82%) 1,833 0.83 1.71 1,818 57.69% vs. Server
9 AMX 50 120 Stats / Compare 375 (30.93%) 2,136 1.29 0.94 2,332 52.80% vs. Server
9 AMX M4 51 Stats / Compare 94 (45.74%) 3,176 1.81 1.41 3,953 69.15% vs. Server
9 B-C 25 t AP Stats / Compare 119 (26.89%) 2,422 1.38 2.40 3,066 56.30% vs. Server
9 Centurion 7/1 Stats / Compare 354 (32.77%) 1,937 1.10 1.20 2,102 55.37% vs. Server
9 Conqueror Stats / Compare 749 (31.78%) 2,119 1.29 0.92 2,258 51.13% vs. Server
9 Emil II Stats / Compare 54 (25.93%) 1,979 1.09 0.83 1,831 46.30% vs. Server
9 Foch Stats / Compare 266 (28.20%) 2,119 1.19 1.40 2,126 50.75% vs. Server
9 M103 Stats / Compare 626 (33.23%) 1,655 0.86 0.68 1,530 46.01% vs. Server
9 M46 Patton Stats / Compare 18 (16.67%) 1,527 0.83 1.67 1,306 27.78% vs. Server
9 Obj. 704 Stats / Compare 339 (38.05%) 2,741 1.62 0.85 2,707 52.21% vs. Server
9 Ru 251 Stats / Compare 230 (26.09%) 1,616 1.01 3.21 2,947 58.26% vs. Server
9 ST-I Stats / Compare 266 (34.59%) 2,085 1.09 0.82 2,249 56.77% vs. Server
9 SU-122-54 Stats / Compare 149 (41.61%) 2,774 1.61 1.66 3,783 60.40% vs. Server
9 T 55A Stats / Compare 74 (27.03%) 2,522 1.22 1.97 2,760 54.05% vs. Server
9 T-10 Stats / Compare 569 (30.40%) 1,841 1.09 0.93 1,952 52.37% vs. Server
9 T49 Stats / Compare 516 (25.00%) 1,603 1.03 2.61 3,046 56.20% vs. Server
9 T54E1 Stats / Compare 198 (39.90%) 2,668 1.71 1.62 3,421 62.63% vs. Server
9 WZ-111 1-4 Stats / Compare 578 (37.89%) 2,403 1.33 1.43 2,817 59.52% vs. Server
9 WZ-120 Stats / Compare 64 (21.88%) 2,193 0.95 2.06 2,556 59.38% vs. Server
8 110 Stats / Compare 309 (33.33%) 1,632 1.23 0.99 2,211 53.07% vs. Server
8 112 Stats / Compare 90 (43.33%) 2,111 1.97 1.82 3,673 65.56% vs. Server
8 AMX 50 100 Stats / Compare 354 (27.68%) 1,207 0.95 0.91 1,320 47.74% vs. Server
8 AMX 65 t Stats / Compare 109 (36.70%) 1,777 1.13 1.04 2,834 61.47% vs. Server
8 AMX AC 48 Stats / Compare 377 (26.53%) 1,506 1.03 0.71 1,839 51.46% vs. Server
8 AMX Cda 105 Stats / Compare 45 (20.00%) 1,759 1.16 1.13 2,170 51.11% vs. Server
8 AMX CDC Stats / Compare 657 (27.25%) 1,714 1.14 2.59 2,943 57.84% vs. Server
8 AMX M4 49 Stats / Compare 114 (34.21%) 1,996 1.21 1.07 2,873 63.16% vs. Server
8 B-C 12 t Stats / Compare 181 (30.39%) 1,550 1.18 2.97 3,571 61.33% vs. Server
8 Caernarvon Stats / Compare 766 (32.64%) 930 0.62 0.54 869 43.73% vs. Server
8 Centurion I Stats / Compare 334 (32.63%) 1,053 0.92 0.70 1,361 49.10% vs. Server
8 Chrysler K Stats / Compare 16 (12.50%) 1,569 0.63 1.81 1,624 43.75% vs. Server
8 Emil I Stats / Compare 90 (25.56%) 1,916 1.11 0.88 2,340 65.56% vs. Server
8 FCM 50 t Stats / Compare 69 (36.23%) 1,783 1.52 1.45 2,807 57.97% vs. Server
8 Guard Stats / Compare 155 (30.32%) 1,950 1.13 1.21 2,690 56.13% vs. Server
8 HWK 30 Stats / Compare 29 (20.69%) 1,428 0.90 2.66 2,525 44.83% vs. Server
8 IS-3 Stats / Compare 1947 (35.39%) 1,847 1.29 0.98 2,547 55.62% vs. Server
8 IS-3A Stats / Compare 13 (23.08%) 1,868 1.08 1.23 2,014 46.15% vs. Server
8 IS-6 B Stats / Compare 43 (39.53%) 2,272 1.44 0.86 2,946 48.84% vs. Server
8 ISU-152 Stats / Compare 318 (24.21%) 1,670 1.31 0.66 1,991 50.31% vs. Server
8 JgTig.8,8 cm Stats / Compare 63 (26.98%) 1,596 1.30 1.14 2,197 49.21% vs. Server
8 KV-4 Stats / Compare 368 (36.96%) 1,351 0.87 0.63 1,645 51.36% vs. Server
8 KV-5 Stats / Compare 42 (50.00%) 1,619 1.45 1.19 2,352 57.14% vs. Server
8 M 41 90 GF Stats / Compare 162 (25.93%) 1,258 0.80 2.61 2,612 62.35% vs. Server
8 M41 Bulldog Stats / Compare 225 (20.44%) 929 0.86 2.39 2,029 59.11% vs. Server
8 M46 KR Stats / Compare 371 (33.69%) 1,620 1.07 1.35 2,504 54.72% vs. Server
8 M4A1 Rev. Stats / Compare 149 (41.61%) 2,212 1.44 1.25 3,709 60.40% vs. Server
8 M6A2E1 Stats / Compare 126 (29.37%) +6 1,728 -26.67 0.78 +0.01 1.27 -0.02 2,120 -23.82 53.97% +0.63% vs. Server
8 Obj. 416 Stats / Compare 25 (12.00%) 1,198 0.68 1.16 1,453 52.00% vs. Server
8 Panther 8,8 Stats / Compare 40 (22.50%) 1,511 1.18 1.65 2,367 45.00% vs. Server
8 Panther II Stats / Compare 31 (22.58%) 1,528 1.58 1.52 2,637 64.52% vs. Server
8 Pershing Stats / Compare 36 (22.22%) 1,531 0.92 1.50 2,187 58.33% vs. Server
8 Pz. 58 Mutz Stats / Compare 642 (32.24%) 1,624 1.18 1.58 2,647 59.81% vs. Server
8 Skorpion G Stats / Compare 23 (13.04%) 1,637 1.04 1.22 1,709 43.48% vs. Server
8 Strv S1 Stats / Compare 159 (27.04%) 1,839 1.03 0.81 2,119 60.38% vs. Server
8 SU-101 Stats / Compare 157 (33.12%) 1,980 1.36 1.44 2,970 59.87% vs. Server
8 T-34-2 Stats / Compare 98 (32.65%) 1,461 1.07 1.28 2,274 45.92% vs. Server
8 T-34-3 Stats / Compare 114 (31.58%) +5 1,634 -14.91 1.09 +0.02 1.68 2,384 -21.23 53.51% -1.54% vs. Server
8 T-54 mod. 1 Stats / Compare 382 (37.96%) 1,841 1.32 1.65 3,020 62.57% vs. Server
8 T25 Pilot 1 Stats / Compare 279 (33.69%) 1,901 1.22 2.47 3,328 55.91% vs. Server
8 T26E4 Stats / Compare 244 (42.62%) 2,038 1.42 1.13 3,345 63.93% vs. Server
8 T26E5 Stats / Compare 46 (23.91%) 1,609 0.76 1.30 2,024 58.70% vs. Server
8 T32 Stats / Compare 388 (36.60%) 1,020 0.71 0.74 1,040 46.39% vs. Server
8 T34 B Stats / Compare 104 (35.58%) 2,230 1.32 1.06 3,353 53.85% vs. Server
8 T92 Stats / Compare 54 (22.22%) 1,247 0.87 2.74 2,649 46.30% vs. Server
8 Tiger II Stats / Compare 106 (50.00%) 2,233 1.49 1.02 3,506 71.70% vs. Server
8 WZ-111 Stats / Compare 280 (44.29%) 1,939 1.56 1.32 2,900 61.07% vs. Server
8 WZ-120-1 FT Stats / Compare 122 (28.69%) +1 1,948 -4.05 1.30 +0.01 1.51 -0.01 2,445 +0.80 62.30% +0.31% vs. Server
7 A-44 Stats / Compare 57 (38.60%) 1,526 1.63 2.47 3,397 70.18% vs. Server
7 AMX 13 75 Stats / Compare 94 (32.98%) 1,560 1.81 2.48 5,207 58.51% vs. Server
7 AMX AC 46 Stats / Compare 172 (19.77%) 929 0.97 0.69 1,410 46.51% vs. Server
7 AMX M4 45 Stats / Compare 180 (34.44%) 1,230 1.16 0.77 1,974 56.67% vs. Server
7 Black Prince Stats / Compare 327 (35.47%) 549 0.43 0.30 506 45.87% vs. Server
7 Comet Stats / Compare 258 (36.82%) 622 0.87 0.40 807 45.35% vs. Server
7 FV201 (A45) Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 1,235 1.00 2.00 2,052 50.00% vs. Server
7 IS Stats / Compare 127 (31.50%) 1,129 1.12 0.79 1,609 51.18% vs. Server
7 IS-2 Stats / Compare 192 (34.38%) 1,468 1.44 0.81 2,222 49.48% vs. Server
7 KV-13 Stats / Compare 8 (62.50%) 2,490 2.63 1.63 6,564 62.50% vs. Server
7 KV-3 Stats / Compare 140 (36.43%) 1,011 1.04 0.51 1,291 46.43% vs. Server
7 Leo Stats / Compare 63 (26.98%) 1,647 1.32 1.73 3,124 53.97% vs. Server
7 Panther Stats / Compare 44 (43.18%) 1,917 2.00 2.14 5,148 63.64% vs. Server
7 Scorpion Stats / Compare 39 (12.82%) 808 0.59 1.13 851 35.90% vs. Server
7 SP I C Stats / Compare 154 (30.52%) 1,460 1.30 2.05 3,545 56.49% vs. Server
7 SU-100M1 Stats / Compare 64 (35.94%) 1,693 1.56 1.50 3,180 54.69% vs. Server
7 SU-122-44 Stats / Compare 18 (44.44%) 2,155 1.78 0.94 3,855 66.67% vs. Server
7 SU-152 Stats / Compare 228 (29.39%) 1,100 1.23 0.51 1,805 49.12% vs. Server
7 T-34-1 Stats / Compare 132 (42.42%) 1,388 1.27 1.42 2,577 62.88% vs. Server
7 T-43 Stats / Compare 21 (47.62%) 1,434 1.43 2.19 3,182 76.19% vs. Server
7 T20 Stats / Compare 64 (39.06%) 1,794 1.59 2.27 3,759 50.00% vs. Server
7 T28 HTC Stats / Compare 25 (40.00%) 1,695 1.32 0.80 3,010 56.00% vs. Server
7 T29 Stats / Compare 871 (39.04%) 1,190 1.11 0.74 1,537 50.29% vs. Server
7 Tiger I Stats / Compare 89 (41.57%) 1,900 1.62 1.58 3,555 60.67% vs. Server
6 AMX 12 t Stats / Compare 102 (32.35%) 1,113 1.51 2.75 4,853 59.80% vs. Server
6 ARL 44 Stats / Compare 143 (27.97%) 1,081 1.26 1.09 2,317 47.55% vs. Server
6 ARL V39 Stats / Compare 212 (25.00%) 682 0.91 0.53 1,317 46.23% vs. Server
6 AT 8 Stats / Compare 27 (29.63%) 222 0.56 0.19 96 37.04% vs. Server
6 Churchill VII Stats / Compare 288 (40.63%) 400 0.52 0.26 490 45.83% vs. Server
6 Cromwell Stats / Compare 1231 (28.03%) 458 0.77 0.73 710 44.76% vs. Server
6 Crusader Stats / Compare 236 (33.47%) 166 0.34 0.33 284 49.58% vs. Server
6 HT No. VI Stats / Compare 7 (57.14%) 1,310 1.29 1.29 2,855 71.43% vs. Server
6 KV-85 Stats / Compare 348 (26.72%) 887 1.24 0.86 1,700 51.44% vs. Server
6 M4A3E2 Stats / Compare 242 (28.93%) 402 0.52 0.36 567 46.69% vs. Server
6 M4A3E8 Stats / Compare 63 (38.10%) 1,024 1.49 2.29 2,810 69.84% vs. Server
6 Strv 74 Stats / Compare 47 (25.53%) 1,178 1.04 0.98 2,410 48.94% vs. Server
6 SU-100 Stats / Compare 1068 (29.68%) 950 1.41 0.82 2,092 56.84% vs. Server
6 SU-100Y Stats / Compare 14 (35.71%) 1,226 1.71 0.57 2,927 64.29% vs. Server
6 T-150 Stats / Compare 802 (34.79%) 1,066 1.43 0.82 2,295 57.23% vs. Server
6 T-34-85 Stats / Compare 18 (33.33%) 1,409 1.44 1.50 3,750 55.56% vs. Server
6 T-34-85M Stats / Compare 88 (30.68%) 1,338 1.49 2.14 3,006 60.23% vs. Server
6 T37 Stats / Compare 600 (25.83%) 924 1.04 2.75 3,449 59.00% vs. Server
6 TOG II* Stats / Compare 11 (54.55%) 950 1.09 0.09 1,683 63.64% vs. Server
6 Type 58 Stats / Compare 200 (27.00%) 737 0.97 1.28 1,543 51.00% vs. Server
6 VK 28.01 Stats / Compare 63 (23.81%) 754 0.78 3.33 2,635 60.32% vs. Server
6 VK 30.02 M Stats / Compare 32 (28.13%) 1,330 1.59 1.84 3,509 62.50% vs. Server
6 VK 36.01 H Stats / Compare 43 (39.53%) 1,170 1.21 1.12 2,501 62.79% vs. Server
6 WZ-131G FT Stats / Compare 6 (50.00%) 1,653 2.50 0.50 4,164 66.67% vs. Server
5 AMX ELC bis Stats / Compare 399 (20.30%) 572 0.76 2.44 2,217 51.13% vs. Server
5 AT 2 Stats / Compare 491 (42.57%) 329 0.76 0.37 616 43.99% vs. Server
5 BDR G1 B Stats / Compare 71 (40.85%) 713 1.25 0.66 1,805 59.15% vs. Server
5 Chaffee Stats / Compare 167 (16.77%) 372 0.60 3.13 1,344 50.30% vs. Server
5 Churchill I Stats / Compare 171 (35.09%) 329 0.58 0.27 500 46.78% vs. Server
5 Covenanter Stats / Compare 132 (34.85%) 90 0.20 0.27 151 47.73% vs. Server
5 KV-1 Stats / Compare 176 (29.55%) 549 1.10 0.45 1,152 44.89% vs. Server
5 Leopard Stats / Compare 73 (13.70%) 520 0.63 2.52 1,881 43.84% vs. Server
5 M10 RBFM Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 564 1.00 3.00 1,402 100.00% vs. Server
5 M41 HMC Stats / Compare 51 (37.25%) 362 0.73 0.06 532 56.86% vs. Server
5 M4A1 Stats / Compare 1279 (29.55%) 507 1.09 1.01 1,409 52.38% vs. Server
5 Matilda IV Stats / Compare 8 (62.50%) 1,138 1.50 1.13 3,813 62.50% vs. Server
5 S35 CA Stats / Compare 105 (34.29%) 546 1.16 0.63 1,280 54.29% vs. Server
5 StuG IV Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 346 1.00 1.00 961 75.00% vs. Server
5 SU-122A Stats / Compare 36 (19.44%) 329 0.67 0.06 595 44.44% vs. Server
5 SU-85 Stats / Compare 175 (26.29%) 428 0.95 0.23 878 48.00% vs. Server
5 T14 Stats / Compare 13 (38.46%) 1,052 2.69 1.85 3,914 76.92% vs. Server
5 Type T-34 Stats / Compare 97 (18.56%) 425 0.91 1.01 1,209 51.55% vs. Server
4 Alecto Stats / Compare 68 (22.06%) 159 0.51 0.46 261 48.53% vs. Server
4 AMX 40 Stats / Compare 18 (11.11%) 144 0.50 0.22 499 50.00% vs. Server
4 Cruiser IV Stats / Compare 61 (32.79%) 113 0.39 0.72 241 47.54% vs. Server
4 Hetzer Stats / Compare 20 (25.00%) 291 1.35 0.45 811 55.00% vs. Server
4 M3 Lee Stats / Compare 71 (32.39%) 194 0.65 0.21 540 49.30% vs. Server
4 M5 Stuart Stats / Compare 42 (14.29%) 172 0.40 1.95 643 52.38% vs. Server
4 M5A1 Stuart Stats / Compare 179 (19.55%) 255 0.68 1.60 950 49.16% vs. Server
4 Pz. 38 nA Stats / Compare 14 (14.29%) 107 0.14 0.64 132 28.57% vs. Server
4 Pz. B2 Stats / Compare 4 (50.00%) 487 1.00 1.50 1,466 75.00% vs. Server
4 SAu 40 Stats / Compare 17 (29.41%) 242 0.71 0.24 586 52.94% vs. Server
4 SU-5 Stats / Compare 150 (38.00%) 461 0.95 0.04 1,127 51.33% vs. Server
4 SU-76M Stats / Compare 32 (3.13%) 143 0.56 0.47 358 56.25% vs. Server
4 SU-85B Stats / Compare 50 (18.00%) 223 0.50 0.62 357 42.00% vs. Server
4 T-28 Stats / Compare 20 (5.00%) 90 0.30 0.45 195 60.00% vs. Server
4 Valentine AT Stats / Compare 34 (26.47%) 196 0.68 0.35 516 50.00% vs. Server
3 Cruiser III Stats / Compare 107 (25.23%) 102 0.53 0.22 265 40.19% vs. Server
3 D2 Stats / Compare 14 (14.29%) 33 0.07 0.50 11 42.86% vs. Server
3 LTP Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 130 0.00 0.00 n/a 320 0.00% vs. Server
3 M3 Light Stats / Compare 5 (20.00%) 106 0.40 2.80 470 60.00% vs. Server
3 Pz. 38 (t) Stats / Compare 20 (15.00%) 140 0.70 0.35 366 50.00% vs. Server
3 SU-26 Stats / Compare 42 (30.95%) 135 0.38 0.00 133 40.48% vs. Server
3 T-46 Stats / Compare 24 (12.50%) 112 0.58 0.46 279 41.67% vs. Server
3 UE 57 Stats / Compare 3 (0.00%) 139 0.33 1.00 n/a 228 33.33% vs. Server
3 Valentine Stats / Compare 69 (44.93%) 138 0.42 0.14 390 49.28% vs. Server
2 AT-1 Stats / Compare 3 (33.33%) 110 1.00 0.33 443 66.67% vs. Server
2 Cruiser II Stats / Compare 21 (38.10%) 86 0.24 0.19 243 57.14% vs. Server
2 D1 Stats / Compare 3 (33.33%) 189 1.00 0.33 1,097 66.67% vs. Server
2 Loyd GC Stats / Compare 3 (33.33%) 113 1.33 0.33 n/a 574 33.33% vs. Server
2 Pz. I Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 11 0.00 0.00 n/a 261 100.00% vs. Server
2 SU-18 Stats / Compare 27 (37.04%) 99 0.56 0.00 488 55.56% vs. Server
2 T-26 Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 38 0.00 0.00 n/a 261 100.00% vs. Server
2 T1E6 Stats / Compare 4 (0.00%) 137 1.25 0.75 763 50.00% vs. Server
2 T2 Light Stats / Compare 17 (0.00%) 125 0.59 1.29 532 47.06% vs. Server
2 UC 2-pdr Stats / Compare 5 (60.00%) 244 1.40 0.40 1,246 80.00% vs. Server
1 Cruiser I Stats / Compare 7 (28.57%) 77 0.29 0.43 365 71.43% vs. Server
1 FT Stats / Compare 2 (50.00%) 0 0.00 0.00 n/a 76 50.00% vs. Server
1 K-housenka Stats / Compare 1 (0.00%) 73 0.00 1.00 n/a 426 100.00% vs. Server
1 L.Tr. Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 127 0.75 0.00 565 50.00% vs. Server
1 Medium I Stats / Compare 21 (47.62%) 93 0.57 0.48 429 57.14% vs. Server
1 MS-1 Stats / Compare 4 (25.00%) 27 0.25 0.25 261 75.00% vs. Server
1 NC-31 Stats / Compare 1 (100.00%) 0 0.00 0.00 n/a 0 0.00% vs. Server
1 T1 Stats / Compare 34 (14.71%) 102 0.85 0.47 426 38.24% vs. Server

Gold cost of prem vehicles: 0
USD Value: $0.00

Creadits spent on regular vhicles: 0
Credits to gold: 0

Total Gold: 0
Total USD: $0.00

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